The Word of What Now? Why Mormons Can't Drink Coffee.

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Hey everyone, welcome back.
I'm Mel.

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And I'm.
Claire and together we are.

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The salty hoes.
So today we're going to get into

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some fun Mormon dietary
practices.

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But before we get into that,
let's check in.

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Claire, how was your week?
It was pretty good.

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It was not bad.
And I believe we had a a common

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a common occurrence this week.
Oh, are you talking about the

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day spa?
Yes.

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Oh my God, I got Paulina.
We got Paulina.

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It was divine as always.
Always, always.

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Oh my gosh, it's always a treat
to go see our We Paulina.

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What did you get done the?
Usual.

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The usual.
Well, I actually added in a a

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mini glow and go, glow and go.
I can't say that.

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Glow and go facial, yes I did
that too this week.

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I swelled.
Oh my.

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God, my God.
And we, we have to, we have to

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point something out because we
have both gotten this facial for

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like quite some time over the
years.

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Yeah.
And all of her products smell

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amazing, but they they smelled
extra amazing this time and girl

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came out with a whole brand.
I know, and she's been holding

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out on us.
So Paulina, girl, you got to

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promote yourself more.
Your stuff is amazing and I

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didn't even know it was yours.
I had no idea because when she

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was doing it, I was like, Oh my
God, that smell, what is that?

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And she's like, oh, it's like a,
it's like a drink of water for

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your face.
And it does this and this, but

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like it's like, girl, what was
that?

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And she never identified that it
is her own formula, her own line

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of skin care with this most
magnificent packaging.

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And oh, it's.
So beautiful, yes it's so posh

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and lux like the products are
amazing but like the packaging

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is so cool too.
It's so cute, the wee pictures

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and the the wee bags and yeah.
She's so sweet, it's like we had

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to like deploy wild horses to
get out of her.

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But she has launched her own
skin, which is amazing.

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That is the best description
I've ever heard, but it's so

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accurate.
It's like cruel.

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Just tell us, which, you know, I
don't think we need to point out

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that we're, we're not saying
this from prompting from her,

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but we're just like, girl needs
to shout out like she has this

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magical Kingdom on 9th and 9th
in Salt Lake City and everybody

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needs to go.
Yeah.

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Go check it out.
So spa day at 9th and 9th is her

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place and the her brand is
called Moonshine versus Milk so.

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Amazing.
And give it a try.

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It's so good.
And yeah, we pointed out in our

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Utah Beauty Standards episode
that, you know, you and I are a

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little challenged in this area.
What do you mean in terms of

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like we we missed that gene in
terms of like, you know, honing

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in on the well, what do we need
to do or, you know, and Paulina

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has helped us.
Yeah, I.

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Feel like there's a
developmental psychology angle

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here.
Like, are you familiar with this

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idea?
I'm sure you are like the

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critical period, right, of
development where?

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Oh, yeah, yeah.
Like if you don't develop

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language by a certain age,
you're never really going to

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develop it.
I feel like we miss the window

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for beauty standards.
Like when the teens were

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experimenting, I just didn't
like, let's make up.

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Yes, what is that stuff?
Or yeah, we we did And and

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Paulina is helping retrain us.
I know.

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We're doing like remedial, like
beauty standards, not even 101

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like. 98 like, not even intro.
Yeah, we're not even ready for

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intro too.
We're just, yeah, well, I got a

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big compliment from my son this
morning.

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So because in addition to my
facial, I got the the brows and

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the the eyelash.
Stuff.

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Oh, they look so.
Good.

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Oh thank you as like always,
that's my little thing I get

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from her and shout out to my
son.

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I'm very proud.
He finally got his certificate

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in the mail for his associates.
So oh, wow.

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You know, before we came to
record, I ran up and I was like,

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son, son, it's here.
Like I'm so pride.

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And I like cried a little
because I'm a weirdo that way.

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And I was.
Like I'm so pride if.

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You like and he says, mom, you
can't cry.

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You're about to go out to do the
podcast and he's like, you're

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gonna ruin your makeup.
And I was like, son, I don't

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wear makeup.
And he was like, but you've got

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your eye stuff on.
I was like, no, I just got

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Pauline.
And he was like, oh, that looks

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really good.
Like, and this isn't like a a 24

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year old like male who was like
don't cry.

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You're going to mess your makeup
so.

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Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest, I
was actually shocked too.

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And I found out you didn't wear
eye makeup.

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I just thought you had a lot of
mascara on.

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And it's it's not which.
Is incredible.

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I woke up like this girl.
Like.

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Thank you, Paulina.
I take no credit whatsoever, so

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I didn't even know such things
existed.

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Right.
So yeah, it's amazing, yeah.

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Anyway, we love Paulina.
Sorry, I just made a gross noise

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into the microphone 'cause I was
like going oh I did it again,

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I'm so sorry everyone just go
see Paulina.

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Keep doing a little remix.
It'll be funny.

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Just kidding.
A gross noise remix?

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Yeah.
Perfect.

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We love our girl, all right.
Well, today we are going to get

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into some Mormon dietary
practices.

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Yeah.
And I think this part of this

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comes from watching our girlies
on the Secret Lives of Mormon

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Wives.
Mm Hmm.

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Particularly their dirty soda
addiction and.

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I think that's a fair word to
use.

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Oh yeah.
Like, we're not throwing shade.

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They would say it themselves.
I mean, it, it's, it's a thing.

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And I feel like it was the
precursor to that was like 64 oz

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Maverick jugs that people would
fill on their way to work.

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Yes, my uncle used to do that.
He would fill up a whole like 64

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ounce of soda and then like to
fill it halfway through the day.

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That.
Wow I know I had many questions

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which I didn't ask him at the
time but like how many times do

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you have to pee a day like.
I know well and also I'm going

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to get a little gross here, but
like are you burping constantly?

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Like if I have any carbonation
or even a beard like I feel like

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burpee super.
Gassy.

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Right, yes.
So like, are you just belching

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at work all?
Day or does it come out the

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other end?
Right.

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I don't.
Like, Tell us.

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We'd love to know.
Yeah, I don't.

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You don't drink soda.
I do drink a little bit of soda.

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Not like a ton, right?
Yeah, like one of those Diet

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Coke girlies.
That's always.

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Drinking Diet Coke, but I will
have.

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Them on occasion, yeah.
My son really likes this diet

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root beer, so sometimes I'll
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we're just watching television
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Yeah.
And I did not bring him that

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question.
I went.

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You don't drink soda, I should
have said.

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Do you drink soda Well?
'Cause you never see me running

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around with Yeah, like I don't.
You don't.

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Have that much?
You don't have a 64 oz Maverick.

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Habit.
And I've never been to Swig or

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any of The Dirty soda places,
but I guess we can get into that

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in a minute.
Yeah, I have been there because

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my youngest child is a Mormon
soda addict also, but lives in

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Chicago night and can't get
access to the the Mormon soda.

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So when she comes home to visit,
it's like, can we go get Mormon

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sodas?
That's like the first question,

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Mormon.
Sodas I like.

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That yeah.
So I've actually had a it's

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signs.
Disgusting.

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What is it called?
It's a Doctor Pepper thing, but

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it's got like the most oh name.
I'll have to think about that.

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It'll come to me in the in the
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Of this episode.
But perfect.

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We're going to get back to The
Dirty sodas.

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But living in Chicago, I feel
like maybe, I mean, there's been

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so much Secret Life stuff coming
out like in the last few weeks,

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but didn't Whitney Levitt just
have a brand deal?

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I thought it was in Chicago.
Was it or is it?

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Open a new dirty soda.
It's like a place I've never

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heard of, but I feel like it's
not here in Utah.

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Oh my God.
Well, maybe it's in New York, I

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don't know.
I know 'cause it's confusing

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night of the music, yes, yes.
But hey, that, I mean, any

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little entrepreneurs out there?
Let's go open dirty Soda in

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Chicago 'cause I feel like it
would work anywhere night.

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I think it would kill.
Mm hmm.

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Especially with all the
exposure, yes.

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Definitely.
Let's do it.

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OK, well, side hustle, another
side hustle for you.

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To add to your many, many
successful business that's.

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Well, I don't know about that,
but let's, let's, let's open it.

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I love it.
I Let's do it.

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OK, All right.
So should we get into this

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Mormon stuff?
So a lot of people know that

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Mormons don't drink, they don't
smoke.

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And I think the one that really
trips people up the most is they

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don't drink coffee or tea.
Yep, like do they drink herbal

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tea?
Yes.

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OK.
So we can get into that a little

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bit.
Yeah, yeah.

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'Cause it's a black tea
situation, right?

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Yeah.
Black, green, white tea.

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Oh, even green.
Yeah, 'cause it all comes from

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the same plant, so it's like the
tea leaves, like the true tea.

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Yeah, is banned, but.
The true Tea True Tea Church of

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the true Tea.
I know let's like it's.

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The one true tea So.
We need to start a counter cult

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I feel like.
Yeah, I like it.

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Yeah, I think that would kill.
The Church of the true Tea.

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The Church.
Of the true tea.

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By Mellon Claire Amazing.
Wow.

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OK, so where does all this come
from?

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Well, I think you and I
discovered in our research for

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this episode that it, it wasn't
even like what we originally

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thought it was.
So originally it was a

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revelation, February 27th, 1833
from Joseph Smith himself, who

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what would have been in like his
30s at that point.

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I kind of never clocked that
before either.

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Like dude was young, pretty.
Young, right?

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Because I guess, I mean, I'm
trying to remember the timeline

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because it's been a while,
right?

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The first vision is when he's a
teenager, but I feel like the

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timeline there is kind of sketch
too, because there's like 4 or

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more different versions of
different is in the difference

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in details.
Yeah.

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So they might differ in time as
well.

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And then he organizes the
church.

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When 1830.
Yeah, right.

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It's a rhyme den 'cause this is
1833 he gets this revelation.

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OK, so shortly thereafter.
Yeah, so he's young, like he's

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secret lives of Mormon wives.
Age group.

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Oh my God, that's such a funny
way.

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To put it that's so good.
Like he is like Jace or Dakota,

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like, well, could you imagine
them organizing?

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And I mean, it kind of makes a
lot of sense, right?

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Because you might want to get up
with the young girlies when

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you're.
Well, that's a whole other

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episode.
But yeah, I think it's.

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Probably way more charismatic
and therefore maybe more

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dangerous than any of our team
talk friends.

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Yeah, because good looking I've
seen his death mask.

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Yeah, yeah, really good looking
friend with like an insane

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amount of rizz apparently.
Yeah, wow, Yeah, I love that

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rizz.
I'm trying to rizz Anches,

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apparently.
Sorry.

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Oh, my God.
I still have some religious

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trauma sneaking in where I'm
like, am I going to get strucked

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on for saying that?
Did I just sinned?

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I think I just sinned.
Oh my God.

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Oh God, so.
Funny.

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OK, sorry, back to the actual
Word of Wisdom as it is called.

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Yes, the Word of Wisdom.
Yes.

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So which is, you know, big claim
with the 20 to 30 something with

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no scientific background
knowledge.

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So it's recorded now as Section
89 of the Doctrine of Covenants,

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which is one of the additional
scriptural books of the Mormons.

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And it wasn't until 18 years
after that it was delivered as a

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talk by actually the patriarch
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And during this talk, apparently
President Brigham Young arose

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from the crowd.
He arose wrong.

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I think dude was arisen a lot
with how many ladies he had

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going and but his different type
of arisen proposed that All

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Saints formally convert or
covenant.

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Sorry to abstain from tea,
coffee, tobacco, whiskey

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specifically mentioned and all
things mentioned in the Word of

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Wisdom.
And that was 1852 and you came

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across another date fact.
I was digging into this just a

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little bit for this episode, and
it turns out that I, I mean, the

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way I learned it growing up was
Joseph Smith had this

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revelation.
And from then on, like the

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church just practiced these, you
know, abstaining from tea,

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coffee, alcohol, tobacco,
etcetera.

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Yeah.
But it's actually a more complex

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story than that.
So for actually many years, I

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would say a good 60 to 70 years
after this happened, there was

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some pretty heterogeneous
application of it.

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So, you know, they did kind of
commit to it with Brigham Young.

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But a lot of early church
leaders all the way up to the

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very beginning of the 1900s,
including the apostles,

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including the prophets, some of
them would drink tea and coffee.

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Didn't they consider it to be a
big deal?

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Lots and lots of people in the
church did.

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And also, you know, the
prohibition on alcohol was sort

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of bodily applied, shall we say?
Yeah.

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When The Pioneers came across
the plains and established their

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little Kingdom, right?
Fleeing the United States

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because of their deviant sexual
practices.

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Yeah.
Then they were trying to

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establish this new land in Utah,
OK, this new civilization.

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And part of that was cutting
ties on being dependent on the

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East, right, on the United
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And so they tried to make or
grow everything that they could

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here in Utah so they wouldn't
have to purchase or trade for

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it.
And some of the things that they

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did was start wineries and start
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Wow.
Yeah.

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I mean, Brigham Young owned a
bar in downtown Salt Lake for

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many years.
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There was this idea that like
OK, maybe the bar was for non

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Mormons that were passing
through.

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Right, whatever.
Might as well profit off it.

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But.
The fact of the matter is is

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that even though the Word of
Wisdom was a thing, it wasn't

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really universally applied until
later in the church's history.

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Beer wasn't even included at
first, so people were drinking

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beer.
It wasn't a thing.

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It was really just whiskey and
spirits that were prohibited.

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Wine is mentioned, but they were
still using that in the

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sacrament at that time.
Oh my God, that would have been

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a lot more fun right than like
the gross like tap water.

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Yeah, it's a tiny amount, but
still, wine were still being

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consumed by by the Mormons.
It turns out that even though it

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was sort of a prohibition, it
wasn't really until 1915 that

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men who drink alcohol or use
tobacco were no longer allowed

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to be ordained to the Mormon
priesthood.

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Oh.
My God, that's not that long

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ago.
No.

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Wow, this might shock.
A lot of people are Mormon

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friends.
It wasn't added as a

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requirement.
This requirement to follow the

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word of wisdom for temple
attendance.

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Until 1921 they didn't even ask,
it was just an on your honor

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system or like it wasn't really
important enough to be

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considered something they would
ask for a temple recommend.

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Oh my God, my mind is blown here
on many levels cause 11 little

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offshoot is like wow high very
Jim Jones of them on the early

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settlement.
Like let's be separate, let's

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grow everything like that's that
is very cult like behavior.

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And yeah, also, can we ever be
upset at Lisa Barlow again for

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owning a liquor like Brand given
that Brigham Young owned a bar?

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Girl, I was never upset at Lisa.
You're like, yeah, but you know,

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like the, the shame that
everybody gives her in the group

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or, or that we're like, Oh my
God, these women drink.

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Like I never saw Mormonism like
that.

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Like maybe it's always been like
that.

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There was a weird middle phase
and I they're bringing it back

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to it's.
Coming back a little bit, but it

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seems like Mormon 2.0 is
actually a thing and Lisa's

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like, I don't care.
Like I'm Mormon.

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I turned, I own a tequila
company.

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Who cares?
Yeah.

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And it's it.
It almost seems more aligned

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with the establishment of the
church.

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I'm sure Lisa doesn't know this
history.

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Well, maybe I'm selling her
short.

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I don't think Lisa would be
aware of this history.

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But you know what?
What she's doing is in the grand

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old tradition of Mormonism, back
in the.

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Day it really is, only it's a
girly leading the charge instead

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of a man with high over many
wives.

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Yeah, so it's not even Mormonism
2.0, It's like Mormonism 0.5,

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right.
Going back to the roots, yeah.

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Oh my God, I, I would argue that
like, you just told me a lot of

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stuff I never knew and I was the
Bishop's wife.

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Like, you know, it's.
Not like they really talk about

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it.
It's not like you go to church

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and they're like, And now for a
nuanced history.

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Of the Word of Wisdom.
Or there's like a Wii plaque on

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Main Street.
This is the bar that Brigham,

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like Young owned.
Like yeah, we should.

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Probably dig into that a little
bit.

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And go there and have a a shot
of whiskey.

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I bet it doesn't exist anymore,
but maybe somebody's like

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resurrected it, yeah.
Just knowing where it is, like

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what's their noise?
Is it still a bar?

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OK, We're going to, we're going
to do our best academic research

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on that.
Yeah, this will be a return and

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report situation.
Yes, we will return and report

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for sure.
Oh my God.

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I love it.
Well, should we read through the

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actual scripture?
Yeah, piece by piece and.

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Let's talk about it.
Let's do it.

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OK, I love it.
Do you have it up or shall I

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start?
Reading.

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I start reading because I I have
like and we can we can compare

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and contrast.
I have like the verbiage from

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lds.org, so like the
interpretation of it.

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So, but let's let's do a deep
dive into the Doctrine and

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Covenants we're.
Going to do a little close

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reading here.
OK, so this is Doctrine and

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Covenant section 89, verse one
quote a word of Wisdom for the

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benefit of the council of high
priests assembled in Kirtland

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and the Church, and also the
Saints and Zion.

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Two, to be sent greeting not by
commandment or constraint, but

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by revelation and the word of
Wisdom showing forth the order

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and will of God in the temporal
salvation of All Saints in the

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last days.
Three given for a principle with

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promise adapted to the capacity
of the weak and the weakest of

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All Saints who are can be called
Saints.

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Shade.
Yeah, that's kind of shady.

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Yeah.
Actually.

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For for you weak ass hoes like
they're like wow.

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OK, so 4 Behold, verily, thus
saith the Lord unto you, in

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consequence of evils and designs
which do and will exist in the

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hearts of conspiring men.
In the last days I have warned

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you, and forewarn you, by giving
unto you this word of wisdom by

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revelation. 5 That inasmuch as
any man drinketh wine or strong

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drink among you, behold, it is
not good, neither me in the

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sight of your Father, only in
assembling yourselves together

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to offer your up your sacraments
before him. 6 And behold, this

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should be wine.
Yeah, pure wine of the grape, of

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the vine, of your own make. 7
And again, strong drinks are not

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for the belly, but for the
washing of your bodies.

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All right, let's.
Stop here and yeah.

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So this is the prohibition on
alcohol?

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Mm hmm.
And but are they saying there

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that it's still OK for the
sacrament?

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Yes.
Huh.

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Definitely, and I'm fairly sure
that for quite a while they were

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using wine in the sacrament,
similar to other Christian

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sects.
Wow, yeah, a wee Mimosa shot at

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sacrament meeting.
I like.

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It I that would have been fun.
OK, so that's that's interesting

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because there's a little bit of
shade in there and there's also

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like a an odd Armageddon or two
reference in there too with all

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good Mormon things like the last
days.

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Yeah.
I mean, it was definitely a very

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millennial cult, right?
I think in the early days of the

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church, it was pretty widely
understood that Jesus was coming

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back and the world was going to
end within the next decade or

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two.
Yeah.

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Or at least by 1900.
That was pretty, pretty evident

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from like all the early writings
in the church.

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He's a wee bit overdue a little
bit.

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I know.
Like, yeah, wow, that's that's a

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whole other episode.
But yeah, we definitely need to

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do an episode on that.
That used to scare the shit out

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of me.
Like even as a grown ass adult,

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I I.
Was like Jesus.

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Is going Oh my God, it's going
to be this week and I don't I, I

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haven't purchased enough vacuum
packed wheat from the church,

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right?
'Cause I'm going to haul it all

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the way back to Missouri, right?
Like.

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I just like, I really
internalized that and kind of

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like a rule follower and I was
yeah, OK.

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OK, I love that.
I do want to do a whole episode

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about the apocalypse.
Like you have an understanding

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of that.
But in terms of alcohol, so I

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kind of, it's interesting how
they call out wine and strong

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drinks separately, but it's not
mentioned.

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So it does seem consistent that
people were drinking beer all

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the way through the early 1900s.
Well, and if Brother Brigham had

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a brewery and a bar at Main
Street, like, yeah, yeah, the

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BBG system in command on the
revenue stream.

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Exactly.
Wow.

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But when you grew up, I'm sure
like as me, it was, it was just

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like completely prohibited, like
no.

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Blanket ban.
Yeah, the banned ban even it was

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bad.
Oh yeah, my God, I can't talk to

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them.
Oh yes, that it.

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Well, it's funny because growing
up in Ireland, too, people

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couldn't really comprehend of
it.

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And they would say, oh, but you
would have like, a wee drink of

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wine with it, like your
Christmas dinner, right?

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And you're like, no, like, we
don't at all.

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And they're like, but like, if
you were out or something, you'd

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have a wee glass of wine.
And they're like, no.

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Like, they were grasping more
the version of Mormonism we see

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now on, you know, Secret Lives
and Real Housewives.

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But but yeah, it was just a
blanket ban.

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Yeah, which isn't unique, right?
Other religions prescribe

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alcohol.
Right.

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Yeah.
Yeah, like Muslims.

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Don't, don't drink alcohol,
yeah.

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I mean, I'm sure some do.
It's like a big, yeah, big

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religion.
Just like Mormonism, Mormonisms

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so.
Like, I don't want to like speak

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for that, but that's one
religion that comes to mind

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that, you know, has approach to
talking about.

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Alcohol.
It's not unusual.

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It's not too unusual.
Yeah.

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And I mean, it kind of makes
some sense.

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00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,840
I would say it's pretty clear
from a health perspective that

455
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,480
alcohol is not good for you.
Mm, Hmm.

456
00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,640
And that's kind of a full stop.
Yeah, that that I mean some

457
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,800
components of red wine or it's.
Mostly been debunked.

458
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:04,760
Though, Really.
Yeah.

459
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,600
So it's not that good for you?
No, it's never been good for me.

460
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,080
It's never.
Been good for anyone?

461
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,760
Yeah.
Alcohol just period is not good

462
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,800
for your health.
Now that being said, do I enjoy

463
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:14,120
it?
You know.

464
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,200
You know, there's a lot of
things that we know are not good

465
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,160
for our health and we all enjoy
it.

466
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:27,160
So in moderation it's all good.
But I mean, yeah, I have not

467
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,240
that I ever drank a lot, but I
really barely drink it all night

468
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,600
and even 1 drink will kind of
knock me out.

469
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,760
Like I feel the inflammation
effects, shall we say, of it,

470
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,680
you know?
So yeah, I feel that.

471
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,640
Too, If I've had a few drinks,
it definitely effects sleep,

472
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,440
right?
And it, I mean, alcohol is a

473
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,960
mild carcinogen.
So it does increase your risk of

474
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,960
cancer, especially like mouth
and throat cancers.

475
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,160
So, you know, from a health
perspective, I think that the

476
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,360
data is pretty clear that
alcohol is good for you.

477
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,520
Now, in terms of a religious
prescription, is that the reason

478
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,000
that that's in this?
I mean, the, the scripture kind

479
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,640
of suggests that that might be
the case a little bit later on.

480
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,200
So maybe that's part of it.
Yeah, we'll, we'll assume

481
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,360
goodness here.
Yeah.

482
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,320
They're hoping that that we'll
all be healthy and, and good and

483
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,440
yeah, yeah.
Cool stuff.

484
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,800
OK, So yeah, just going to kind
of let that one go.

485
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,360
I guess some Mormons I would say
take this a little far.

486
00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:23,480
I mean.
Shocker, right?

487
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:25,640
Really.
Wow.

488
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,960
I know.
Surprising that they would be

489
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,640
extreme about anything.
Yeah.

490
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,720
So for example, I know that some
won't take like liquid cold

491
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,160
medicine because it's based,
it's an alcohol based thing.

492
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,120
Oh my God, Yeah.
You know, you actually reminded

493
00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:42,880
me of something that I did.
I thought I was being really

494
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:49,560
noble when I lived in Ireland as
a late teen, young adult.

495
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:56,600
I used to love this Chinese take
away dish and it was like chili

496
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,680
chicken with white wine and
something else.

497
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,520
It was really good.
It was when I still at meat and

498
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,280
I loved getting this.
There's a, there's a whole thing

499
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,920
around Chinese take away in
Ireland, but that's, that's

500
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,520
another story.
And I love this.

501
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,480
I am almost certain there was no
actual wine in this dish.

502
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,760
And also when you cook wine, the
alcohol evaporates, right?

503
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,640
So it's like it's just a flavour
thing.

504
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,920
So I stopped getting it.
It would like when I was

505
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:31,080
preparing for my temple marriage
I was like thou shalt not eat of

506
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,840
the chili chicken anymore.
It was a self-imposed

507
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,040
commandment.
I want to be very clear like

508
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,480
nobody in church told me, but I
thought as I was like getting

509
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,440
ready for the temple, I should
eliminate chili chicken with

510
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,320
white wine.
You are so righteous.

511
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:49,880
I'm so righteous.
I mean, I think that's a common

512
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,320
theme we could probably come
back to a couple of times like

513
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,040
this point that some Mormons
like to take things real far.

514
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,600
Yeah.
So they're like, oh, OK, here's

515
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,440
the line.
But I'm also going to like go

516
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,320
way, way, way over the line and
not eat like the chili chicken

517
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,960
do.
I got drink cold medicine even

518
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,680
if I needed so.
And it gets a little extreme

519
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,840
when we get to the coffee and
tea we're really going to dig

520
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,040
into.
That some more, yes.

521
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,480
And like, that is still a, like
a, a, a point of a lot of

522
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,080
discussion.
And I also feel like, you know,

523
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,320
it's framed in righteousness,
but I think a lot of people just

524
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,400
had anxiety.
Like when I look back, I think

525
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,160
that's probably I really
internalized and me, because I

526
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,440
went to Catholic school too,
that I would be immediately

527
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,800
punished if I violated the
rules.

528
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,880
And so I, I don't know that I
was trying to be super

529
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,520
righteous.
I was just afraid and.

530
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,880
Especially knowing you.
Like, and I was just like, Oh my

531
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,760
God, like God will smite me for
the chili chicken and like I

532
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:57,160
really hope that that he, she,
they, whatever God is, was not

533
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,880
concerning themselves with my
chili chicken consumption.

534
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,800
I mean, I think that's a pretty
depressing view of God that you

535
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,160
would care about your chili
chicken consumption.

536
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:10,960
And and that sent us like and
and that you would also be.

537
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,320
Like they would be the type of.
Person that would punish you

538
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,040
with like illness or something
because you had it.

539
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,200
I mean, I think it's consistent
with a lot of, you know, with

540
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,920
the understanding of God.
Yeah.

541
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,360
Mormon church like they saw a
lot of other stuff too, not

542
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,000
dietary practices.
It's just another one of those.

543
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,840
Yeah, it's like a harsh,
vengeful pushing God, or at

544
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,440
least that's part of it, right?
That's one strand that's pretty

545
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:35,080
strong.
Yeah.

546
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,760
Yeah.
I think that point about anxiety

547
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,640
is really good.
I think there's another.

548
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,320
So this is an and it's not a
buzz.

549
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,720
There's another category of
Mormons who use it as virtue

550
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,560
signalling. 100.
Percent like yes, OK, I can't do

551
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,480
this, but I also won't do this
because I'm.

552
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,960
I'm so virtuous.
Yes.

553
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,800
It's like, you know, we get
ranked in our profession as

554
00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:00,880
standard or exceeds and and
standard is 100% fine, but you

555
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,560
know, they want the exceeds
category.

556
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,920
Yeah, I hate that.
Yes, that's yeah, there.

557
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,160
There definitely is that
contingent for sure.

558
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,000
OK, let's continue with to the
next one.

559
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,480
So I'll just read one verse
here.

560
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,360
So this is verse 8, section 89
again.

561
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,000
And again, tobacco is not for
the body neither for the belly.

562
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,040
And it's not good for man, but
is an herb for bruises and all

563
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,240
set cattle to be used with
judgement and skill.

564
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,000
Huh.
OK, so no tobacco.

565
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,320
Yeah.
And back then I think it was a

566
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,720
lot of that.
I mean, there was smoking for

567
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,120
sure, but also, like, chewing
and spitting tobacco.

568
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,400
And my understanding was that
was part of what prompted this.

569
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,480
Yes, but Joseph's wife got tired
of cleaning the tobacco spit off

570
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,400
the floor, which I can.
Fair.

571
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,280
That's completely fair.
Gross.

572
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:46,440
Yeah.
That's disgusting.

573
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:47,800
I pick.
Up your own spit.

574
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,760
Yeah, yeah.
Or maybe just don't in someone's

575
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,520
house on the floor.
Yeah.

576
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,520
Are we cup or?
Something something.

577
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,560
My God, that's nasty.
That's gross.

578
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,480
Yeah, I heard that too, That
that's what prompted the BB

579
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,200
Jesus to tell Joseph Smith to
stop it.

580
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,280
Cut it out.
Yeah.

581
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,440
So like nothing on the.
Floor.

582
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,080
Yeah, like oh God, they had to
specify that from on high, no

583
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,000
less.
What's the Kai thing?

584
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,360
I'm not really sure actually.
I feel like we've in our modern

585
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,400
world, we've gotten a little far
away from our means of food

586
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,280
production.
I don't know if tobacco is

587
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,480
something that, I mean, clearly
it was used in some capacity

588
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,520
with cattle back then.
I don't know if that's something

589
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,640
that's still used or if that was
just a weird folk remedy or

590
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,640
what.
Sorry, I didn't look that one

591
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,640
up.
No, veterinarian listeners let

592
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,400
us know.
Yeah, please.

593
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,720
Do you treat Kai's with tobacco
still?

594
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,920
I don't.
Didn't mention.

595
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,280
Were the bruises on the Kai or
people?

596
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,680
Didn't mention bruises.
Am I inventing that?

597
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,280
Yeah, no, you're not inventing
that, it says an herb for

598
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,000
bruises and all sick cattle.
Huh.

599
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,520
Bruises on a Kai?
Can a Kai get bruises?

600
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,120
I don't even know they can get
bruises but it says bruises and

601
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,960
all sick cattle but then it also
says tobacco is not for the body

602
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:08,440
so maybe bruises on not people.
Kais, that's sounds real

603
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:13,000
specific.
When the Kaia gets a bruise you

604
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,520
can use it, but otherwise that's
so.

605
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:17,880
Weird.
That's really weird.

606
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,800
It sounds like probably
something that's been debunked

607
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,280
with my gas.
Yeah.

608
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,120
Yeah.
Like, that's an old timey

609
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,720
veterinary thing, right?
Wow, so interesting.

610
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,400
I love dissecting it like this.
I do too.

611
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,360
This is fun actually.
I also read that.

612
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,880
So tobacco was used after this
word of wisdom.

613
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,760
It was used after the the
Patriarch and the Brigham Young

614
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,240
thing even by some Mormons.
Not all, but certainly there was

615
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,960
still people that smoke cigars,
including Joseph Smith.

616
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,720
He used to walk down the streets
of not very smoking a cigar.

617
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,280
Yeah, and.
It is.

618
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,200
What a hustler.
Yeah, everybody.

619
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:56,000
Was in there smoking cigars and
stuff so again the riz.

620
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:02,000
Oh my God.
Well, and I'm going to draw in

621
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,800
the gender component here
because a lot of ladies don't

622
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,240
smoke cigars.
So I'm assuming that the men's

623
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,600
was having a good time here.
And so if when they're saying,

624
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,120
well, not everybody lived it, in
other words, the women were most

625
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,600
likely living it.
Now that's conjecture on my

626
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,640
part, but I'm trying to read
between the lines.

627
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,600
No, I think there's actually a
really good point there because

628
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,880
reading a little bit about this
and how like spottily, if at

629
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,600
all, it was applied in the
1800s, they did talk a lot about

630
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,960
men drinking beer and using
tobacco and women drinking

631
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,120
coffee, although men would as
well.

632
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,400
But like the focus there, like
the hot drinks focus was more on

633
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,640
the ladies and the tobacco and
alcohol focus was more on the

634
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,280
men's.
Interesting, huh?

635
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,080
That's very interesting.
Yeah, I'm not really sure what

636
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,480
to make of it, but you
definitely see that, like these

637
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:54,920
old quotes, right?
Yeah.

638
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,520
Yeah.
They called them out, like, in a

639
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:57,960
gendered way.
Yes.

640
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,080
Wow.
OK, so the men's was going to

641
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,040
the bar, Yeah.
Brigham's bar, Brigham's in.

642
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,160
And the ladies were just
enjoying a wee nice cup of

643
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,240
coffee in the morning by the
signs of it, yeah.

644
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,720
Wow, interesting, huh?
I've I've.

645
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,640
These things have never occurred
to me previously.

646
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,640
It's kind of cool to dive into
the history a little.

647
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,080
Bit, isn't it?
Oh, I love this.

648
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,520
Yeah, keep going.
OK, well, I just wanted to say

649
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,960
about tobacco, since we were
talking about like health.

650
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,520
Tobacco is definitely very
unhealthy.

651
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,400
OK, so smoking we all know is
not good for you.

652
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,240
There are many, many
carcinogenic components in a

653
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,480
cigarette or a cigar, vaping,
etcetera.

654
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,720
Like none of this is great.
Tobacco use is a pretty leading

655
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,360
cause of cancer worldwide.
It's also linked to things like

656
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,560
heart disease and stroke and
other pulmonary diseases.

657
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,520
It's really pretty bad for every
organ system.

658
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,920
Yeah, OK, So that that's pretty
clear.

659
00:32:55,160 --> 00:33:01,280
However, because biology is
fucking messy, it's not a

660
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:06,280
completely one sided story.
So it turns out that nicotine

661
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,520
specifically is actually
neuroprotective.

662
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:10,880
Oh wow.
Yeah.

663
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,480
So nicotine use and you kind of
have to separate it out.

664
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,960
You have to be taking like
essentially just nicotine

665
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,400
because, again, that stuff in
tobacco is really bad.

666
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:26,720
But nicotine actually is
associated with a decreased risk

667
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,400
of degenerative neurological
diseases.

668
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:34,560
So Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and
other dementias, OK.

669
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,040
And there's a pretty clear
inverse correlation between

670
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,720
nicotine use and these
neurodegenerative diseases.

671
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,400
That's wild, yeah.
And it's also possible, like

672
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,240
there's a correlation with
improved cognitive function and

673
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,240
nicotine use.
Oh my God, I need all the

674
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,000
patches.
I'm like, cover my body isn't

675
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,240
that crazy.
Get me some of those quitting

676
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,200
patches.
Wow.

677
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,320
It turns out that it probably
helps prevent plaque formation,

678
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,440
like in Alzheimer's and some of
these dementias I used to have

679
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,520
when I was in my PhD, there was
a professor that I took the

680
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,560
class from, and I just kind of
knew of it.

681
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,960
He studied nicotine and
nicotinic receptors, and he used

682
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,880
to always say in class, he was
like, everybody starts smoking

683
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,800
when you're 60.
Like, is that hilarious?

684
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,760
That is hilarious.
He's.

685
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,120
Like because it's good for your
brain, but you don't want to

686
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,719
start now.
He's like, don't start too early

687
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:25,880
because then you're going to get
the lung.

688
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,120
Cancer, yes, that's going to be
the bad part.

689
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,000
He's like, you want to get this
Alzheimer's?

690
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,239
Part of it, wow.
But he's like, yeah, you should

691
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,639
start smoking when you're.
Sick.

692
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,480
We're getting close to starting
our smoking habit that makes.

693
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:42,480
Me want to cry.
Well, also, I mean, when I say

694
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,080
close, it's a decade, but
that's, you know, that's not

695
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,239
close.
But I then from like a sciency

696
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:55,800
perspective, have we not come up
with a way to extract that good

697
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,120
part and like consume it
recreationally?

698
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,440
That's a good.
Question, you know, like take

699
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,480
the bad part of the tobacco
white, but like, you know,

700
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:09,000
because I understand like the
ritual, that's not a good word,

701
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,920
but you know, or practice of
smoking like, you know, I, I

702
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,400
feel so French when I see it
happen, you know, it's like when

703
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,040
you're in French, you almost
feel like you should have a

704
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,480
cigarette and it wouldn't even
be bad for you there.

705
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,080
That's how I feel about wine
when I'm there.

706
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,880
But you know, I wonder why they
haven't come up with that.

707
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,200
I mean my what's the conspiracy
theory?

708
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,200
Brien is going to.
They want you to die.

709
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:34,200
But like, I mean, that's
ridiculous.

710
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,600
But you know, I wonder why?
Probably just capitalism hasn't

711
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,600
found a way to exploit that
sufficiently yet.

712
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,640
Yeah, fair.
Don't worry, it'll happen.

713
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,960
It'll come.
Maybe that's another business.

714
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,560
We should.
Oh my God, yes.

715
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,200
You can add it to your portfolio
successful businesses.

716
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:52,600
Multi $1,000,000 Ideas on the
show.

717
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,640
You live in Utah.
This is the home of supplements.

718
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,440
If we sell it as a supplement
with no explicit health claims,

719
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,520
then we're exempt from FDA
approval.

720
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,160
Oh my God, let's do it.
Let's start a wee pyramid scheme

721
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,360
too.
Yeah, we have to make it multi

722
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,120
level marketing.
Yeah, maybe Justin Rams could

723
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,040
help us with that.
Hey Justin, we need a Word of

724
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,720
Wisdom approved nicotine patch
to prevent us all declining

725
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,000
neurologically as adults.
Hey, the Word of Wisdom doesn't

726
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,640
mention nicotine.
It says tobacco.

727
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,160
Yeah, and if you're not using
tobacco, it should be fine,

728
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,520
right?
I think so.

729
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,840
Wow.
You're striking goal today, Mel.

730
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,080
I love this.
You're getting all the work

731
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,200
around.
I love it.

732
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,960
All right, do you have anything
else to say about tobacco?

733
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,440
Have you ever smoked?
I wasn't what I would consider a

734
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,680
smoker, but I, I mean,
definitely as a teen I thought

735
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,560
it would, you know, it made me
look cool, which it didn't.

736
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,720
But and then my, my basketball
coach shouted at me and said,

737
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:53,560
you can't be doing that.
I was like, brother, I am not a

738
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,960
high performing athlete but OK.
You're like, it's not going to

739
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,440
matter from my level of athletic
prowess.

740
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:03,440
Yeah, like we are, we are a a
very minor team, but I

741
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,200
appreciate your concern.
Also I thought he was hot so I

742
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,920
stopped.
OK, I like that.

743
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,240
Good.
Perfect.

744
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,400
It's interesting.
I haven't, I've never been a

745
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,520
smoker.
Like I have smoked a cigarette

746
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,400
here and there.
Usually after a drink or two,

747
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,720
I'm like, it might be fun to
like have a cigarette.

748
00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:22,560
It's like a little craving.
But it turns out that people

749
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,880
just genetically fall into a few
categories.

750
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,880
Like some people get a little
smoker's high.

751
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,800
Wow.
So there's a an instant reward

752
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,320
from smoking a cigarette.
Like, they just get a little

753
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:33,920
like feeling of euphoria.
Yeah.

754
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,000
And it feels good.
I'm not one of those people.

755
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,360
Like I again, it's just like a
oh, at the bar.

756
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,680
It seems like it would be fun to
like have something to put in my

757
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,600
mouth like.
Mel, we could find you other

758
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,920
things that wouldn't damage your
lungs.

759
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,440
Well, we'll get to the meeting.
Part later.

760
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,440
Oh my God I love it.
So funny.

761
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,880
That's amazing.
Yeah, but I don't, I don't get.

762
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,400
You didn't like it too much?
Yeah, I don't like it that much.

763
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,920
Yeah.
And some people just, like, have

764
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,160
no response at all.
Yes, that seems to be a genetic

765
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,680
thing.
Yeah, and I, I mean, you could

766
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,080
look at lots of things, right?
Like you try stuff and you're

767
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,520
like, that's not for me.
You just don't fancy it.

768
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,400
Yeah, for sure.
But I find it really interesting

769
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,920
because some people can get
addicted pretty easily into like

770
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,520
smoking and other people like me
are just like, man, it's not a

771
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,640
big deal.
But I do want to point out like

772
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,760
that's not a virtue in me.
That's that's by way of my

773
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,360
genetic background, right?
So I feel like some of the shame

774
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,440
that we put on people for like
things like smoking, things like

775
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,680
addiction, right, That's a
disease, things like high body

776
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,000
weight, right.
This is genetics plays a really

777
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,240
big role in that.
Yeah.

778
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:44,000
And I feel like in America, we
have this very like virtuous,

779
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,440
like fat shaming culture, which
isn't super biologically

780
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,240
accurate.
That is an amazing point when

781
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:55,680
you even compare it with the
shade of the start of this,

782
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,560
right?
Like for the weakest among you.

783
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,880
And there's this idea of
weakness being associated with

784
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,720
the need for something and, you
know, addiction, like, I know

785
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:10,880
it's very complex and, you know,
it's, you could argue lucky that

786
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,160
you just didn't fancy.
It oh exactly and like you.

787
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,200
Lucky genetics.
Or yeah, when people talk about

788
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,080
the homeless or or on house
population, right, there's a lot

789
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,280
of shade thrown that way.
Like though, if they were just

790
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,520
like had more willpower or
something like that, the truth

791
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,280
is a lot of those people, like
there's a genetic component,

792
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,800
there's also an environmental
component of how they grew up.

793
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,800
And so it's something we should
be treating first of all with

794
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,760
compassion, but then probably
secondly, from a more

795
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,640
utilitarian perspective, right?
It's not good for any of us to

796
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,720
have a really big unhoused
population.

797
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,560
But instead, we like to point
fingers and just be like, oh,

798
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,480
these people suck, instead of,
like, what has gone awry?

799
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,200
And like, how can we treat like
these human beings, you know,

800
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,800
with compassion and respect in a
way that could have a better

801
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,600
outcome both for them and for
all of us?

802
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:02,760
Right, because if, if, if I mean
compassion aside, my God, what

803
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,080
like a crazy suggestion,
especially associated with

804
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,400
religion, but like, you know,
if, if every, if people are

805
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,640
doing well, everybody's doing
well, you know, and so it's it's

806
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:20,520
better for everybody, but.
Treating it with at that more

807
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,160
scientific approach, shall we
say, because that's why I think

808
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,560
even people within Mormonism
hide things, right?

809
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:33,120
And it there is that sort of
genetic or biological component

810
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:37,080
that's just, you know, just pray
harder to the BB Jesus and you

811
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,480
won't want to do it.
And that's not true.

812
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:40,960
It's not true.
Yeah.

813
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,520
And it's really, really
damaging.

814
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,120
Yep.
And that comes into play with

815
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,400
sexuality, right?
Like when I was growing up,

816
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,640
there's this idea you could just
pray the gay away, right?

817
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,760
Yes.
And that is just badly not true,

818
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,080
as we all know.
Yes.

819
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,080
And then those terrible
practices like the conversion

820
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,800
therapy, yes, like no, it just,
it's not gonna work.

821
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:02,800
That's.
Bad, bad stuff.

822
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,080
But it will fuck people up real
bad.

823
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,600
Oh yeah, yeah.
But and then you have to pray

824
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,560
again to get your mental illness
taken away so to support people.

825
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,760
All right.
Well, yeah, a little bit of a

826
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,440
digression.
Yes, it's so unlike us actually.

827
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,720
We never go off on stage.
It's all connected.

828
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,440
All right, so let's move on to
our next piece.

829
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,440
So verse 9.
And again, hot drinks are not

830
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,120
for the body or belly.
I feel like we could spend a lot

831
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,240
of time here.
Oh yeah.

832
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:36,760
Because by hot drinks, Mormons
specifically mean coffee and

833
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,040
tea.
And that it's so is it?

834
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,920
Does it say coffee and tea?
And it does not.

835
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,360
It just says hot drinks.
Only says hot drinks.

836
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:47,120
There's no asterisk that says
hot cocoa is allied.

837
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,560
No, but hot cocoa is allowed.
Oh, it's encouraged.

838
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:51,960
It's.
Encouraged and as we said a

839
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,640
little earlier and herbal teas
are understood by most Mormons

840
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,840
to be just fine.
Interesting.

841
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,960
And I think that's been
clarified like I think you had

842
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:05,160
the lds.org like page up, but
they I think it's very like

843
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,960
official that this means
specifically coffee and tea and

844
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,480
it means that whether it's hot
or not.

845
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,120
So iced coffee is not a
loophole.

846
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,520
You cannot be drinking coffee or
iced tea, by the way.

847
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,200
Damn it.
Yeah, well, and back to our

848
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,960
earlier point about like some
people taking it to level 20, I

849
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,360
remember discovering Kombucha
the Bootch.

850
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,600
I feel like just such a
ridiculous middle-aged lady

851
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,080
saying this, but I remember
discovering the Bootch by

852
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:44,600
probably almost 20 years ago, 15
maybe, and enjoying it very much

853
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:49,560
for the health benefits, your
gut and the effervescent like

854
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,560
nature.
Just as a nice drink.

855
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,440
And someone in church told me I
couldn't drink it because the

856
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,160
Scooby or but I don't even think
it does.

857
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:02,960
There's sometimes like tea, like
black tea in but I don't even

858
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,680
know how accurate that is to be
completely honest.

859
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,320
And I was like, I cannot give up
my kombucha.

860
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:14,520
And one of the the gateway to
our entire family leaving the

861
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,000
church was Chai tea.
Oh yeah, yeah.

862
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,320
Because we we apparently with
the asterisks that isn't

863
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,160
actually there, it was also
deemed bad.

864
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,880
Yeah, I don't know exactly, but
Chai Chai tea is tea, right?

865
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,840
Yeah, that just has like the
nice spices.

866
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,280
And everything is.
Delicious.

867
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:34,600
It's so good.
I love it.

868
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,680
Yeah.
But it it all, it's just so

869
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:42,040
like, who is saying this?
Who is deeming you can't have

870
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,840
the Butch but you can have hot
cocoa?

871
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,240
Right.
That seems like an extra, I

872
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,080
don't know, vigilant.
Right.

873
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,280
That's not.
I've never heard that kombucha

874
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,600
is prohibited.
Yeah, I could see why.

875
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,040
Like people are like, oh, it's
probably more like that's an

876
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,000
unfamiliar thing.
I don't understand that's.

877
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,880
A get it away from me.
Yeah.

878
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,080
I don't like it.
Do you do yoga?

879
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,560
Oh, my God.
Yeah.

880
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,400
Like it's not a hot drink.
No, it's not a hot drink.

881
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,360
But hot cocoa is hot cocoa.
Is, but iced coffee isn't, I say

882
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,560
as I take a sip of my iced.
Coffee right now Sinner.

883
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,040
I would take a sip of mine
except I always seem to get a

884
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,520
mocha because apparently with an
Irish accent.

885
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:27,200
When you say iced oat milk
latte, it sounds like mocha.

886
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:30,840
Well, I.
Know so I can't take a sip

887
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,600
anymore because my belly is
starting to hurt with all the

888
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,880
chocolatey gross.
Oh, you're so.

889
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,400
Sweet, I'm all good thank you
though.

890
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:43,800
But yeah, we'll just sit and and
send here with yeah, like how

891
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,400
how did where did the specifics
come from?

892
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,960
Like, I don't know that there
was a like a after the doctrine

893
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,680
of confidence, a future
revelation, right, like.

894
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,520
There wasn't a future
revelation, but it was clarified

895
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,520
officially by the church to me
in coffee and.

896
00:44:59,240 --> 00:44:59,840
Tea.
Yeah.

897
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,760
And this, it's actually though
interesting because I think when

898
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,520
it first came out, this was part
of a strand in American culture

899
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,000
where it was thought that hot
things were damaging to your

900
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,120
stomach.
And not coffee and tea, but just

901
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,720
anything hot like including
soup.

902
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,720
Oh wow.
Was you wouldn't want to drink

903
00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:18,920
that hot because it could damage
your stomach and cause ulcers.

904
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,800
That was the idea.
We know now that that is false,

905
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,000
but Joseph Smith, along with
many other people at the time,

906
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,160
thought that hot drinks were bad
for your health, and it turns

907
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:30,760
out they're not.
OK, at least.

908
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,520
Like the heat doesn't really
have anything and honestly you

909
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,520
don't want to like drink
something that's going to burn

910
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,720
you right?
But if it's less sub burning

911
00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:41,800
temperatures, it doesn't damage
your stomach and it also doesn't

912
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,200
cause ulcers and actually
ulcers.

913
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:47,880
Can I just go on a tiny?
Yes I no I love this.

914
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,600
So there's an idea, another
idea, and it persists today.

915
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,280
Actually, the ulcers are due to
stress or potentially eating

916
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,440
spicy foods, and it turns out
that's not really the case

917
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,320
either.
So chili chicken is all.

918
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,760
Good white wine or not?
No white wine or.

919
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:09,080
Not it turns out that generally
gastric ulcers are caused by a

920
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,520
bacterium.
It's called Greeley.

921
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,160
Yeah, Helicobacter pylori, and
it's pretty common.

922
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,920
About half of people are
actually infected with it, but a

923
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,800
lot of times it's asymptomatic.
OK, But if there is maybe damage

924
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,720
to the stomach lining or
whatever, they can get in there

925
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,280
and then actually dissolve all
the mucus that is protecting

926
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,240
your stomach cells that go with
the stomach cells and then start

927
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:34,000
to like dig into the cells
themselves.

928
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,200
And that causes an ulcer.
And it can be associated down

929
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,240
the road with cancer.
So do people typically only know

930
00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:44,760
they have that when an ulcer
happens and they kind of work

931
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,440
backwards?
Yeah, I mean, ulcers hurt, but

932
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,280
this was actually a
controversial idea in science

933
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,960
for a while.
And we got to give us a shout

934
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,680
out to Doctor Barry Marshall.
He was an Australian

935
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,560
microbiologist.
He was working on Helicobacter

936
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,320
pylori, and he published a paper
on it saying this is actually

937
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,560
what causes ulcers in the early
80s.

938
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,400
And the scientific community was
like, no, it doesn't, you're

939
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,720
stupid.
It was like made fun of.

940
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:13,280
Everybody was like laughing at
it.

941
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,960
And he was like, no, like, I
have the evidence and it was in

942
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,920
the paper, but people just
dismissed it because, again, the

943
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,280
dominant idea was that it was
like stress or like spicy food

944
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,280
or some other thing.
And so he was finally like, OK,

945
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,240
fuckers, watch this, right, hold
my beer.

946
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,240
He was Australian, right?
Hold my beer.

947
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:33,120
I.
Really love it.

948
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,240
Accent.
So what he did was he took a

949
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:41,080
beaker of Helicobacter pylori
culture and he drank it.

950
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:46,400
Oh my God, he took one for the
team of humanity.

951
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,480
For science.
Wow.

952
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,400
And within 10 days, he had
ulcers.

953
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,480
And.
So that actually demonstrated to

954
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,320
everyone that this was the
causative agent for at least

955
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,880
many gastric ulcers.
He eventually won the Nobel

956
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,360
Prize, I believe.
Good.

957
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,480
I know.
Dude deserves that.

958
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:07,520
Yeah.
Holy crap.

959
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:10,040
Live, live subjects.
Yeah.

960
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:13,120
Wow, right.
And actually you can.

961
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,760
You get around ethics sports if
you're experimenting on

962
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,880
yourself, you don't have to get
permission for that.

963
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,400
No IRB approval needed.
Wow.

964
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,000
Oh my God.
See, I love hearing sancy things

965
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,240
from you.
In fact, I like trust you, I

966
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:30,200
think more than any other source
because I'm like Melissa Rella

967
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,400
knows her shit.
And like, it's funny in talking

968
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,880
about this, thinking about all
the health myths that are right.

969
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,480
There, there's so many.
Like in terms of both prevention

970
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,000
and consumption, absolutely.
You know, the things that that

971
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,400
people take into their body
because they see an Instagram

972
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,200
Reel that it's good for them or
the things that you don't.

973
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,760
I remember no shade on my mother
because again, she was impacted

974
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,720
by the things at the time.
She told me that I would get

975
00:48:57,720 --> 00:49:01,440
stomach ulcers because I ate too
much ketchup.

976
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,760
And it was the vinegary
component because she's like,

977
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,920
the vinegar aspect is not good
for your belly.

978
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,440
And again, she was acting with
good intention.

979
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,600
I'm sure that she just didn't
want me to get ulcers.

980
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,360
But like, that's so funny, the
things that people have thought

981
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,960
over time caused.
Them and still think that

982
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,360
there's so much misinformation
out there.

983
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,320
I would love to do a whole
episode about this specific.

984
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,560
Let's do it on on health myths.
I love it because this is part

985
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,520
of the word of Wisdom.
Like you could argue that some

986
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,760
things make sense and others are
a giant myth.

987
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,680
Yes, right.
Like, alcohol is not healthy for

988
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,240
you.
Calco is not healthy for you.

989
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:42,840
Cool.
But now that we're talking about

990
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,040
hot drinks, and it turns out
that.

991
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,080
Well, let me caveat this first,
because dietary science is, is

992
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,360
hard, right?
Because you've got a big human

993
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,720
population.
People are eating and drinking

994
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:57,160
all kinds of different things.
So you can't generally take

995
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,520
people and put them in a lab and
control their diets.

996
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:01,200
Yeah.
At least not for very long.

997
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,960
You could maybe recruit college
students and do that for a short

998
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,240
amount of time.
You can't lock people away for

999
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:08,040
their wholeness and control
everything they eat.

1000
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,160
Yeah.
So data is always noisy.

1001
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,560
It's pretty hard to make sense
of sometimes.

1002
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,640
Sometimes you have correlations
that might seem like causations,

1003
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,280
but they're not.
It's just two things that go

1004
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,840
together because of some
different third factor that

1005
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,560
maybe you're not thinking of.
Yeah.

1006
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,800
Also, people genetically are
different, right?

1007
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,760
A lot of our health information
comes from doing experiments on

1008
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,960
young, healthy white 20
something males.

1009
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,000
I'm shocked.
It turns out that although some

1010
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,720
things are generalizable to
everyone, other things are not

1011
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,720
right and there is a genetic
background component as well for

1012
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:45,440
a lot of these things.
So with all that being said,

1013
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,960
coffee is correlated with, and I
want to be careful to say

1014
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,280
correlated not 'cause A cause,
'cause causative.

1015
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,840
Causative.
That's a word, right?

1016
00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:00,320
It is correlated with drinking
coffee regularly, correlated

1017
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,560
with a lower risk of Parkinson's
disease.

1018
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,400
Wow.
Alzheimer's disease, type 2

1019
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:10,680
diabetes, metabolic syndromes in
general, kidney disease, liver

1020
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,760
disease, and gallstones and
kidney stones.

1021
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,160
So coffee, it turns out, is
probably now, again, probably

1022
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,960
because of the caveat it's
probably healthy for you.

1023
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,240
Wow.
It's also correlated with lower

1024
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:25,520
rates of depression in some
studies, not all studies.

1025
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,040
Damn, yeah.
So it's it's pretty good, like

1026
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,280
drinking yay coffee. 3 cups of
coffee a day is also linked to a

1027
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,960
lower risk of stroke and
cardiovascular disease.

1028
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,640
Wow.
So coffee seems to be at minimum

1029
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,400
neutral and best case scenario
quite healthy.

1030
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:47,480
So not, not bad for you in the
way that we were raised, say, in

1031
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,360
the Mormon church.
Like I was made to believe that

1032
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,080
coffee was like, evil.
Yeah, me too, and it's bad.

1033
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,880
It's not bad for you at all.
Now, with anything, you can

1034
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,080
overuse it, of course.
So if you're drinking more than

1035
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,680
five cups of coffee a day,
that's actually probably not

1036
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,880
healthy.
You're speeding up your heart,

1037
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,600
right?
It can cause anxiety.

1038
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,160
Some people it causes anxiety at
lower doses, right?

1039
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:11,680
Because again, we're not
genetically all the same.

1040
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,400
So they're, you know, different
people are going to tolerate it

1041
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,960
differently.
In general, drinking a few cups

1042
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,960
of coffee a day is probably just
fine, if not beneficial for you.

1043
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,440
Interesting.
Maybe somebody needs to have a

1044
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:32,960
wee revelation sometime soon,
because I'm dying to know where

1045
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,480
soda fits into all of this.
Let's get that to that in a

1046
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,840
minute, but I'll just say like
one more thing about coffee,

1047
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,400
actually, two more things about
coffee.

1048
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:41,920
And one of them I think you're
really going to like.

1049
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,000
So first of all, coffee is not
even contraindicated when you're

1050
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,800
pregnant.
They just say to to limit it,

1051
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,360
but you can still drink a cup of
coffee a day and that's

1052
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,560
considered to be just fine.
And I mean, that would be true

1053
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,640
of, like, drinking too much of A
caffeinated beverage period.

1054
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,840
Like, limit your monsters.
Yeah.

1055
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,520
I mean, maybe just don't at all,
but you know what I mean.

1056
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,280
Like it.
Yeah.

1057
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,000
There's no rationale for any
other component of coffee to.

1058
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,440
Certainly not linked.
To any sort of birth defect or

1059
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,760
any like risks in pregnancy,
It's just like keep it like

1060
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,440
limited.
Don't get 5 cups of coffee.

1061
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,120
They make you one.
Yeah, I didn't drink a lot of

1062
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:20,800
coffee when I was pregnant
because I just didn't want it.

1063
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,440
My body was like, it didn't want
a lot of.

1064
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,560
Yeah, it wanted sugar and red
meat.

1065
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:26,520
Yeah, and it did not want
alcohol.

1066
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,000
Wow.
That's handy, actually.

1067
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:29,760
Yeah, it was.
Really.

1068
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,360
Nice.
That's actually how I knew I was

1069
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:32,120
pregnant.
Like I oh.

1070
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,040
My goodness was.
Offered a drink and I was like,

1071
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:35,920
I wanna throw up.
Like I wow.

1072
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,640
And I was like, I'm probably
just sick.

1073
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,440
And and then I, you know, that
was in Alaska.

1074
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,160
And then I walked home and I was
at Whole Foods and I was walking

1075
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,480
by the fish aisle and there was
a big like salmon filet and I

1076
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,600
looked at it and I almost threw
up in my grocery cart and I was

1077
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,960
like, whoa, I'm.
Pregnant, you're like something

1078
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,120
is different.
I don't want to drink and

1079
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,040
looking at fish makes me want to
throw up.

1080
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:56,880
Wow.
Yeah.

1081
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,520
So I was pregnant and, like,
that's good.

1082
00:53:58,520 --> 00:53:59,240
Yeah.
Body.

1083
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,400
Yeah, thank you for rejecting
alcohol while I was incubating a

1084
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,520
little fetus.
That is amazing and I also think

1085
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:10,600
that that leans into self trust,
which is not encouraged in the

1086
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,080
Mormon.
Faith true.

1087
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,280
That's a really good point.
Because your body will actually

1088
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,920
tell you and this will
definitely come up again in

1089
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,840
future episodes.
I know this like you're I I

1090
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,440
really do believe that you're.
I mean, we feel things in our

1091
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,040
body.
People are like, no, what's in

1092
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,160
your head first?
It's the other way around.

1093
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:34,120
And if we lent into that trust,
and if we listen to our body

1094
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:38,160
instead of the Holy Spirit,
like, then maybe we'd all be in

1095
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,200
a good spot.
We'd.

1096
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:40,680
Probably be in a better.
Spot.

1097
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,440
Yeah.
And the, the regulation around

1098
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,120
dietary stuff or consumption of
things, you know, we could all

1099
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,360
pretty much manage that too.
That we had a family doctor when

1100
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,080
I was young that I'm grateful
for.

1101
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,320
He would always tell my mom,
like, don't, don't even limit

1102
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,240
goodies.
He's like, 'cause you have to

1103
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:02,760
give children an opportunity to
learn self regulation, yes, and

1104
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,160
intuitive eating.
And he's like, so if they don't

1105
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,040
want to finish their dinner,
don't force it.

1106
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,720
If they want to eat cake, let
them eat cake, let them eat

1107
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:15,000
cake.
But you know, in the 70s and

1108
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,600
80s, that was pretty, pretty
daring.

1109
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,560
It was, yeah.
But actually this that reminds

1110
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,840
me of a story I was telling my
son the other day of growing up

1111
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,880
in the Mormon church.
And there was this family that

1112
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,840
had, I think like 9 kids, and
they were not allowed to eat

1113
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,280
sugar.
Their parents restricted that

1114
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,800
from them.
And so these were the kids that

1115
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,960
were literally digging through
the garbage at church when we

1116
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,800
had cake or other goodies to
like, lick people's plates

1117
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,800
because they were so.
My God.

1118
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,000
Wow, that wild.
That is sad and wild and crazy

1119
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:47,800
all at once.
So sad.

1120
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,160
Yeah, it's you don't.
You don't get the opportunity to

1121
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,120
flex that self trust muscle
much.

1122
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,320
I know.
And so then when you're not like

1123
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,040
with your parents, or we see it
with some ex Mormons, when

1124
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,120
you've decided you're not part
of the church anymore, some

1125
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:02,760
people just go crazy.
Yeah, right.

1126
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,600
And they're like, oh, now I can
drink coffee, now I can drink

1127
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,280
alcohol.
They start developing an alcohol

1128
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:08,720
problem.
Like they just go way off the

1129
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,000
deep end and a lot of things
because they've never learned

1130
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,400
that self.
Regularly yes you're so right my

1131
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:19,480
God that's wild and and your wee
body was just there going OK

1132
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,080
we're doing this 9 not.
Drinking, that's just, I don't

1133
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,360
want it.
I love that.

1134
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,360
I love that.
Also, I wanted to say when I was

1135
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,400
researching the history, there
were general authorities that

1136
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,360
thought that pork was the worst
thing than coffee before 1900.

1137
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,480
And like, scientifically, we
know that's true now, right?

1138
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,320
Yep.
Be going to get into the meat in

1139
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:46,840
a minute.
Wow, they were onto something

1140
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,160
there.
Tea is a similar story.

1141
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,280
So tea is a pretty rich source
of a chemicals called

1142
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,800
flavonoids.
They're also associated with a

1143
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,280
lower risk of cancer and
cardiovascular disease.

1144
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,360
So it turns out that tea,
probably specifically green tea,

1145
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,080
well, not specifically because
black tea is good too, but like

1146
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:05,800
maybe even more so with green
tea.

1147
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:06,880
It's probably quite good for
you.

1148
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,840
Oh my God, I drink a lot of
green tea that's like my we go

1149
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:15,440
to work drink so that I don't
drink 10 cups of coffee a day.

1150
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:20,200
I have 10 cups of green tea with
lemon juice, which I started to

1151
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,880
panic about the enamel of my
teeth because I was having large

1152
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,760
volumes of lemon juice.
But you know, wow, that's good.

1153
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,080
All Irish people will be will be
fine because they drink about 10

1154
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:32,840
cups of black tea a day.
There you go.

1155
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,040
Yeah, well, don't stop.
Yeah, keep going.

1156
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,360
Yes, that we know about with
tea.

1157
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:42,280
Wow, yeah, that is just all so
interesting.

1158
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:44,160
All right, so we get into The
Dirty sodas.

1159
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,040
Oh yes, yes, yes.
OK, what does what does the Word

1160
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,240
of Wisdom say about them?
Well, it doesn't say anything

1161
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:49,960
about sodas.
What?

1162
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,760
Or cold drinks.
By the way, actually that

1163
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,520
reminds me of that old joke.
Do you know this one?

1164
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,400
What's the difference between a
Mormon and a non Mormon?

1165
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,040
What?
The temperature of their

1166
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,840
caffeine.
Oh my God, I've never heard

1167
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,920
that.
That's so accurate though,

1168
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,520
right?
Wow.

1169
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,400
Although when I was growing up
there were like kind of two

1170
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,280
raging camps in the church.
Maybe you had it in Ireland too.

1171
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,760
I'm not sure where some people
would drink caffeinated soda and

1172
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,440
some people wouldn't.
So this is super interesting

1173
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:24,680
because when I was growing up in
the church in Ireland, it was it

1174
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,720
was specific to Coke.
Oh, just coke.

1175
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,640
Just Coke, but Pepsi was OK.
No, sorry.

1176
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,920
Yes, like colas.
Colas.

1177
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:38,080
So it was a caffeine, it was
identified as a caffeine

1178
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:42,680
component and so it was cola
specifically.

1179
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:48,040
I we didn't have like there is
there caffeine in Doctor Pepper

1180
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,040
root beer, Yes.
Doctor Pepper, Yes.

1181
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,480
OK, no, because we really some
root beer, yes, I think, but

1182
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:57,600
most of it no.
We didn't have a a smorgasbord

1183
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:01,600
of sodas.
We basically had 7UP like Fanta

1184
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:07,000
and Coca-Cola, like Pepsi, like
the sort of the bare minimum

1185
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:12,000
like orange, lemon, lime cola.
And so the other ones were not

1186
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,520
prohibited.
And I remember specifically my

1187
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,120
mom thought she had struck gold
because there was this brand

1188
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:25,640
called 1 Cal or something, I
guess like early diet sodas and

1189
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:30,080
this cola had no caffeine in it.
And so I can remember being at a

1190
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,720
church function and drinking a
can and they were like, you're

1191
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,600
not allowed to drink Coke.
And I was like, no, it's got no

1192
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,840
caffeine in it.
Look, look, it says on the can

1193
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,160
like, and it, that's what it was
centered on.

1194
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,080
And it it makes it so
interesting now because like has

1195
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,480
that just like the Men in Black
thing being erased from people's

1196
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,720
breeds.
I mean, I kind of feel like it

1197
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,640
has.
When I went to BYU, they didn't

1198
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,880
have any caffeinated soda that
was sold on campus really.

1199
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,760
So they had caffeine free Diet
of Coke that was available.

1200
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:01,640
Yeah, but only the caffeine free
version.

1201
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,320
And a lot of people at BYU were
like pretty anal about that.

1202
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:07,400
Yeah.
I'd say they're like, yeah,

1203
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,400
yeah, you can't drink caffeine.
But I grew up drinking Doctor

1204
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:15,200
Pepper because my parents were
at Caffeine is fine if it's in

1205
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,080
soda.
Interesting.

1206
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,840
Family, yes.
So I think it was a big debate

1207
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,240
and people used to argue about
it in church and now I feel like

1208
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:24,920
that's mostly gone away.
It's gone.

1209
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,280
Yeah.
I mean, we've been we've been

1210
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:32,480
out of the club for a while now.
But like the clerb, but like

1211
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:38,200
with the proliferation of this,
the Mormon sodas and Diet Coke

1212
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,600
specifically that nobody is ever
specifying it's caffeine.

1213
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,640
Like that argument.
Sorry, I don't finish sentence

1214
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,240
sometimes caffeine free pedal
back.

1215
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,440
It just seems like a non
argument because also monster.

1216
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:58,040
Monster is a big thing.
I remember my word that I had

1217
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,360
here in America when they went
to boys camp, they would bring

1218
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,320
cases of monster.
Really.

1219
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,080
Yeah, that's pretty highly
caffeinated.

1220
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:08,280
Yes, right.
So it clearly it's not really

1221
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,680
about the caffeine anymore.
Yeah, I guess not.

1222
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,800
That's just kind of gone away.
Did the BB Jesus come and say

1223
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,400
that?
Like how did this happen?

1224
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,360
Well, I think the Mormon church
maybe never officially said that

1225
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,880
caffeine was bad.
Like, I think there were some

1226
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,320
maybe Mormon general authorities
that might have said it here and

1227
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,720
there, but it was, he's never
like sat down as an actual

1228
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,240
different thing.
So it was kind of left open to

1229
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,480
interpret.
And some people, of course,

1230
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,080
virtue signaled more.
And some people were like, well,

1231
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,520
it's not official, so I can
drink all the coke I want.

1232
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,280
And that's just kind of what it
was.

1233
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,280
Kind of like the original Word
of Wisdom.

1234
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:45,880
I like it, yeah.
I mean, for it to be

1235
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:50,440
institutional, institutionalized
though, on like a level of BYU

1236
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:51,800
not having, you know what I
mean?

1237
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,480
Like that was pretty kind of in
there and then it just like.

1238
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,200
Disappeared.
It's interesting, right?

1239
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,120
Because, like, they didn't, I
don't know, make that a

1240
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,160
condition of being at BYU that
you didn't drink caffeinated

1241
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:04,840
sodas.
They simply did not sell them on

1242
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:05,480
campus.
Yeah.

1243
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,520
Right.
So it's like this weird.

1244
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:11,280
Yeah, yeah.
And yeah, I mean, it's not.

1245
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,400
It is not mentioned.
The word caffeine is not

1246
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:19,160
mentioned on lds.org.
Yeah, it's such an interesting

1247
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:20,440
thing.
I think they've like, I feel

1248
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,400
like they've rebranded it a
little bit to say, well, this is

1249
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,960
just a way of like showing
devotion to like God or your

1250
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,800
religion and sort of taking the
health bits out.

1251
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,200
Like when I grew up, they would
talk all about the health

1252
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,680
benefits and how, like you said,
like how bad caffeine and, or

1253
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,440
how bad coffee and tea were.
And then like all the research

1254
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,480
shows that's not true.
And so now they stepped away

1255
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,720
from that and they're like, oh,
it's just a way like to show

1256
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:46,520
religious devotion.
That wow, that's that's a great

1257
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:51,560
mind fuck right there, Jedi mind
trick.

1258
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,400
Well, and because we know that
like, soda isn't the greatest,

1259
01:02:55,400 --> 01:03:00,480
like with artificial sweeteners
and you know, but now it's OK.

1260
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:04,440
Yeah, although aspartame, it's
not maybe great for you, but to

1261
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:08,080
go over the limit of what is
considered by the FDA, which,

1262
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,520
you know, who knows to be
unhealthy, Yeah, you have to

1263
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,280
drink about 20 diet Cokes a day.
Interesting.

1264
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:14,720
Which probably some people.
Some.

1265
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,280
People probably do so maybe
that's a little too much

1266
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,640
aspartame, but you know, if
you're worried about having a

1267
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,280
Diet Coke now and then, you
probably you're fine.

1268
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,120
It's.
Fine, Oh my God, my mind's being

1269
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,960
blown so many times today.
I love that.

1270
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:30,600
Wow.
All right.

1271
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:34,240
Anything else you want to say
about soda, Caffeine, Coffee,

1272
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:38,440
tea, hot chocolate?
It's just so weird, Like it's

1273
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:44,240
just such a weird prescribing of
something not real.

1274
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:47,640
I don't know, Like you say, you
can't have those things where

1275
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:51,000
there's at least, you know, a
correlation with a benefit.

1276
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,160
But the other stuff is free game
like yeah just.

1277
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:55,720
Oh, I thought of one more thing
I want to say.

1278
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:57,240
Oh, yes.
What about the T?

1279
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,640
So remember how I said that,
like, when the Mormons fled the

1280
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,080
United States, they were, like,
trying to cut their dependence

1281
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:03,000
on the East?
Yeah.

1282
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,720
Like even once they were
resorbed in the US, they were

1283
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,520
trying not to, like, trade with
the East Coast.

1284
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,680
And so one thing that they tried
to do was come up with AT

1285
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,920
Alternative, right?
Because like, again, it wasn't

1286
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,160
being strictly applied in the
1800s at all.

1287
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:19,640
So people were drinking tea and
like post em is like a beverage

1288
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,000
that a lot of other Mormons,
like even my grandmother would

1289
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,840
drink.
But there's also this thing

1290
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:25,400
called Mormon tea.
Have you heard of that?

1291
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:26,000
No.
Oh.

1292
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,760
OK, so this is really
interesting.

1293
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:33,480
So this is a tea that's brewed
from a plant that is all over

1294
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,160
southern Utah.
It's really, really common.

1295
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:37,720
And the genus name of the plant
is Ephedra.

1296
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:41,880
And you boil that and drink it
and I I've heard it's really

1297
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,200
gross.
I haven't tried it but it will

1298
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:47,560
give you a fucking jolt because
the name ephedra like this

1299
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,520
contains ephedrine.
Oh my God, Real strong

1300
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:55,680
stimulant.
So that's really interesting,

1301
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:57,400
right?
Because it's gross, right?

1302
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,840
You're not like a lot of the
reason we drink these beverages

1303
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,000
is because they taste good.
Yeah, it's nice.

1304
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:08,280
Like it's just yummy, right?
But to drink something gross

1305
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,960
that has an effect is wow, Yeah,
you're.

1306
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,800
Doing that just for the
stimulant, yeah, right.

1307
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:15,360
Which?
And it's a stronger stimulant

1308
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,560
than caffeine and probably isn't
nearly as healthy.

1309
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,040
Oh my God, we got to get to the
desert and boil ourselves some

1310
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:23,560
Mormon tea.
Oh, let's do it.

1311
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:24,120
Yeah.
Yeah.

1312
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,120
It's easy to find.
It's like it grows all over the

1313
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:28,920
southern desert.
We'll do it and return and

1314
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:30,440
report.
All right, a little experiment.

1315
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,560
Yes.
All right, let's move on to the

1316
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,440
next section because we are.
Oh my God, we're running long,

1317
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:37,320
but that's OK.
We're that's OK, stick with it.

1318
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,160
Important things.
Yes, important things.

1319
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:44,560
OK, so back to our Doctrine and
Covenants, verse 10.

1320
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,400
I'm just going to read like 3 or
4 in a row and then we'll we'll

1321
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:52,200
get to this.
OK, So 10 And again fairly I say

1322
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,960
unto you, also some herbs God
hath ordained for the

1323
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:59,160
constitution, nature, and use of
man. 11 Every herb in the season

1324
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,880
thereof, and every fruit in the
season thereof, all these to be

1325
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,320
used with prudence of
Thanksgiving. 12 Yeah, flesh

1326
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,160
also of beasts, and of the fowls
of the air.

1327
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,720
I, the Lord, have ordained for
the use of man with

1328
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,440
Thanksgiving.
Nevertheless, they are to be

1329
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,560
used sparingly.
What?

1330
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,360
13.
And it is pleasing unto me that

1331
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:23,400
they should not be used only in
times of winter, or of cold or

1332
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,640
famine.
Wow.

1333
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,680
So should we talk about meat?
I think we should.

1334
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,160
That signs to me like no burgers
in summer.

1335
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:36,600
Yeah, no cookouts, no Pioneer
Day burgers and brats.

1336
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:41,240
Interesting.
So I feel personally that this

1337
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:46,160
is one of the areas that gets
really overlooked.

1338
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:49,800
And it speaks a little to my
neurosis, quite honestly,

1339
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:54,040
because before they used to make
the members clean the church, I

1340
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:58,040
cleaned the church, which we may
have mentioned before, and with

1341
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,120
my wee kiddos.
And when I was actually pregnant

1342
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,720
with my son, I find a book in
the Bishop's office.

1343
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,080
And I was like, can I have this?
And he's like, sure.

1344
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,560
And it was someone making the
argument that Mormons actually

1345
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:12,800
should be very close to being
vegetarian.

1346
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:16,120
I mean, that's what I just read.
Yeah, and I was like, wait,

1347
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:17,920
what?
So again, being my little

1348
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,040
compulsive self, I was like,
well, I must become a vegetarian

1349
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:24,720
again.
I had been one previously in my

1350
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:29,480
teen years, quite honestly,
mostly because of The Smiths and

1351
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,600
Morrissey, if I'm honest, the
meat is murder album.

1352
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:38,240
So I read this book and I was
like, Oh my God, meat is so bad

1353
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,960
for you.
Like I so actually wasn't like a

1354
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,320
a virtue thing.
It was more like, you know, they

1355
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,760
provide evidence, well, slanted
evidence.

1356
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,640
And obviously they're like, this
is bad for you, this is bad for

1357
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:51,400
you.
And I was just like, I think

1358
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,440
with the, you know, combined
thing of being pregnant and

1359
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,720
getting ichabyte things, I was
like, I'm going to be a

1360
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,120
vegetarian again.
And I have ever since for like

1361
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:02,320
26 years now.
But that's amazing.

1362
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:06,040
Well, it's just like that is
never talked about.

1363
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:10,680
I had never heard it highlighted
at any stage before.

1364
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,400
I read that book and I was like,
oh shit, that's actually in

1365
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:13,800
there.
Oh.

1366
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,880
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, and it's not like wishy

1367
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:18,640
washy either.
It's like you shouldn't be

1368
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,439
eating it unless it's winter or
it's cold or there's a famine.

1369
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:24,120
Wow.
Yeah, I mean, it's pretty.

1370
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:25,960
Clear.
Oh my God.

1371
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,640
But yeah, I was never really
that was totally deemphasized.

1372
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:34,200
Yes, like I it's not like we
read the word of wisdom from the

1373
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,439
scriptures a lot, it was more
like a lore.

1374
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,479
Yeah, because they were always
reading out of like, the manual.

1375
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:41,439
Yeah, it wasn't necessarily the
Scriptures.

1376
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,880
Yes, you might open your
scriptures and read like a

1377
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,960
selected verse or two, right.
But I don't really remember

1378
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:50,279
ever, like going through verse
by verse and like talking about.

1379
01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:54,560
No, it was just prepackaged.
Yes and but definitely not the

1380
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:58,279
meat because I feel like meat
features heavily in Mormon

1381
01:08:58,279 --> 01:09:01,240
culture and eating.
Oh yeah, I feel like they eat.

1382
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:03,920
Maybe even.
I don't have any statistics to

1383
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,560
put this up, and maybe even more
of me than people generally.

1384
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,399
I I get those vibes.
It seems like it.

1385
01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:10,240
Yeah.
Yeah.

1386
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,880
Huh.
Well, what do you know?

1387
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:16,200
Right.
And I think there are no, I

1388
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:18,560
personally am not a vegetarian,
but I think there's a lot of

1389
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,279
really legitimate reasons to
avoid meat.

1390
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:22,600
Like you said, the meat is
murder.

1391
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,120
OK.
So the way that animals are

1392
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:28,359
treated, particularly in a
factory farming situation, is

1393
01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:30,040
frankly abhorrent.
Yeah.

1394
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:34,000
It is just a horror show and
I'm, I'm, you know, I don't need

1395
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,960
to say a lot more about that,
but it is just absolutely

1396
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,960
horrific, the treatment of these
living beings.

1397
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:45,920
Secondly, there is a really good
environmental reason to eat less

1398
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,880
meat.
As a society, the amount of land

1399
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:52,240
and resources that we turn over
to meat production and growing

1400
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:56,880
food for meat animals is a
pretty leading cause of things

1401
01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:00,560
like deforestation, wow, and
erosion and stuff like that.

1402
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,200
And if we all ate lower on the
food chain, then we could

1403
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,520
support more people in a, in a
sort of better standard of

1404
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,120
living on this planet.
So that is true for sure as

1405
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,240
well.
And then thirdly, since we've

1406
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:15,640
been talking about health this
whole time, once again, let's

1407
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:19,400
say correlation, just to like be
clear, but eating a lot of red

1408
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:22,760
meat or processed meat is
correlated with an increased

1409
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:26,000
risk of cardiovascular disease
as well as certain cancers,

1410
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,160
particularly colorectal cancer.
Yeah, because isn't there

1411
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:34,760
something about it the way it
digestion or it stays in your

1412
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,400
bowel for longer?
I I think that's the hypothesis,

1413
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,640
not clued in on the science.
Per SE.

1414
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,520
Like I'm sure that we have like
a completely causative

1415
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,720
mechanism, but like that
correlation has been shown in

1416
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,520
pretty big studies.
And that's red meat only.

1417
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,480
Right.
Yeah, as far as I know.

1418
01:10:51,480 --> 01:10:54,840
There might be another research
on fish and chicken.

1419
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,240
I'm not really sure.
I mean, fish has a different

1420
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:58,800
story.
You should avoid eating too much

1421
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,040
for the mercury, especially
certain types of fish.

1422
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,480
Yeah, and also to avoid, you
know, collapsing our entire

1423
01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:06,080
ocean ecosystem, which is
happening.

1424
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:08,880
By the way, not good.
No, not good.

1425
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,960
Yeah, I did start eating fish.
I may have to rethink that now.

1426
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:13,880
I.
Think eating at sparingly is OK,

1427
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,680
particularly like, if you're
worried about that, it's a

1428
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,160
really good idea to get the
Monterey Aquarium Seafood watch

1429
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:20,400
list.
You probably already know about

1430
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:21,760
that.
And just look at like the red,

1431
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:25,000
orange, yeah, green or red,
yellow, green and just stick to

1432
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:26,760
the more green ones, yes.
Yeah.

1433
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,360
And yeah, 'cause laden with
mercury.

1434
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:32,560
And they're also creating based
on sustainability, Yeah.

1435
01:11:33,480 --> 01:11:37,640
That's yeah, making good.
Food choices for not just

1436
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:41,400
putting it into your body you
know like the I love that you

1437
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,640
brought up that the
sustainability of the fish and

1438
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:49,080
also the how much water and
green and all of those things it

1439
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:50,880
takes to produce like a pint of
beef.

1440
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:53,360
It's really bad is in sea and
and.

1441
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,720
You know what's?
Interesting as well is that I

1442
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:00,200
remembered, as you were saying
that, that the way I typically

1443
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:03,360
remember meat being framed
within the context of the church

1444
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:07,480
was that they were put on the
surfs for Are You Stammit?

1445
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,320
Yeah, I remember that too.
But I feel like again, there's a

1446
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,480
couple.
Strands and Mormonism, like a

1447
01:12:13,480 --> 01:12:17,920
couple of camps, and one of them
is I think that the dominant by

1448
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,960
far more widespread one that you
just mentioned, which is like,

1449
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,840
oh, everything is just here for
our use, so we can like, fuck it

1450
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,280
up and that's fine.
But I think there's another sort

1451
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:31,360
of scriptural reading, a camp
which says that yeah, this is

1452
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:34,040
here for our benefit, but we
also have the responsibility to

1453
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:37,040
be a good steward over it.
They leave that part out a lot.

1454
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,120
Yeah.
But actually that's went denying

1455
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:42,600
climate change supported
scripturally then.

1456
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,160
That first like, oh, we can just
fuck everything up and it's

1457
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,000
fine.
Consumers consume, consume.

1458
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:49,520
Yeah, I personally don't think
that like.

1459
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:53,040
Everything was made for us like.
That is not my view, but if you

1460
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:57,160
were gonna sort of go all in on
the Mormon scriptures, I think

1461
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,120
it's more supported to be part
of the second.

1462
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,840
Like we have to, we've been
given something, but we have to

1463
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:06,280
use it responsibly and the the
selectivity.

1464
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,920
Is really interesting.
It's really interesting kind of

1465
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:10,840
to bring it full circle, I think
there is.

1466
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:14,240
Something that goes along with
that first idea, which is that,

1467
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:18,040
well, we, we don't really need
to think about conserving things

1468
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,400
or taking care of things because
Jesus is coming back any day.

1469
01:13:20,440 --> 01:13:22,880
Oh yeah, that.
I've heard that argument often,

1470
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:24,720
Yeah.
So why not let species go

1471
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:25,760
extinct?
Yeah, like.

1472
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,600
Why not just fuck everything up?
My God, it's horrible.

1473
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,560
Yeah, I don't, I don't think.
That the baby Jesus would like

1474
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,160
that.
I mean, I'm not trying to speak

1475
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:37,000
for him like the Mormons do, but
like, you know, you, you would

1476
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:42,080
imagine it would be like, you
know, you purchase a, a home

1477
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:46,160
and, and then you have another
home, but you tell your kids as

1478
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:49,240
in being humankind and we're
Jesus in this scenario.

1479
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:51,400
But like you're like, you can
live there, 'cause I'm going to

1480
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:54,400
sell it in six months.
And so they just go, hey, let's

1481
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:57,240
go crazy and, you know, beat the
shit out of this house.

1482
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:00,280
Like I would not be happy as the
owner of that.

1483
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:04,240
So you would imagine as the
perception of the BB Jesus as

1484
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:09,200
the owner of the world or
creator, like I don't I don't

1485
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,800
know that he would be on board.
That is such a good analogy.

1486
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,360
It's like, oh, let me just like.
Shit all over this house and put

1487
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:17,360
the part of it down and that's
fine, 'cause you're going to be

1488
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,600
here and it's all you're going
to cleanse it with fire.

1489
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:23,160
Anyway, like, more back to that,
like, gross.

1490
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:25,600
Like apocalyptic.
Yes, yes.

1491
01:14:26,440 --> 01:14:28,240
My God.
Wow.

1492
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,440
Yeah, The meat part.
That's interesting.

1493
01:14:31,440 --> 01:14:32,680
It's pretty wild.
Yep.

1494
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:34,200
Yep.
Wow.

1495
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,360
All right.
Well, I mean, should I read the

1496
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:38,000
rest of it?
That's.

1497
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,640
Kind of like the main thing,
they talk a little bit about

1498
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,600
grain and fruit, and then that's
supposed to be used.

1499
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:49,160
And then at the end it says that
All Saints who remember to keep

1500
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:52,560
and do these things, walking in
obedience to these commandments,

1501
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,720
shall receive health in their
navel and marrow to their bones.

1502
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,800
And she'll find wisdom and great
treasures of knowledge, even

1503
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,840
hidden treasures, and she'll run
and not be weary, and she'll

1504
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:04,680
walk in that faint.
And I, the Lord, give them unto

1505
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:06,840
them, I promise that the
destroying angels shall pass

1506
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:10,360
them, pass by them as the
children of Israel, and not slay

1507
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:10,880
them.
Amen.

1508
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:12,800
And that's the end of the
chapter.

1509
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:15,200
I almost said, Amen.
Oh my God, the programming.

1510
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:21,680
Amen, sister.
Well, and I also feel like, you

1511
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:26,360
know, that is, that's the part
that always got me because even

1512
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:30,640
though I'm, I'm a little bit
neurotic health wise in terms of

1513
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:34,360
like movement and food and and
alcohol and all that kind of

1514
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:36,720
thing.
And I think that that's where

1515
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:39,200
neurotic persons like myself
that got them because I

1516
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:42,760
genuinely believed if I did it,
then I'd just be well and I

1517
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:44,880
wouldn't die.
And like, we're all going to die

1518
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:50,280
and put, you know, it's like it
it just puts a wee worm in your

1519
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,440
head that like, OK, if I if I
really do this, I'll be fine.

1520
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,760
Which is not true.
Like, yeah, I mean, I think like

1521
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,840
we just talked about some of.
These things are good for your

1522
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:03,720
health, like avoiding alcohol
and and tobacco, but others are

1523
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:05,880
not.
And then I kind of wonder, like,

1524
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:09,120
what's the mental health toll of
getting so wrapped up in this

1525
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:12,400
and being so scrupulous about,
you know, doing all these

1526
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:13,440
things?
I feel like religious

1527
01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:18,080
scrupulosity is correlated with
lower mental health outcomes.

1528
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:20,320
100%.
And I, that's a great word.

1529
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:22,440
I could never.
Have said it as seamlessly as

1530
01:16:22,440 --> 01:16:27,840
you did that one Scrupulosity,
Scrupulosity.

1531
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:33,240
I it is ridiculous that I still
stumble over words at this age.

1532
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:37,280
But no, it's not, you know,
it's, it's like saying the

1533
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,840
legislature.
Yeah, that's that's a tricky 1.

1534
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:42,760
I I do think it's because my
tongue is too big for my mouth,

1535
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:44,880
but anyway, that could have
other skills.

1536
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:50,560
But question, does it say in
there that that vegetables and

1537
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,680
herbs and fruits and all that
should be with prudence?

1538
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:58,920
Yeah, let me go back so it.
Says every herb in the season

1539
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:00,960
thereof and every fruit in the
season thereof.

1540
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:03,120
All these to be used with
prudence and Thanksgiving.

1541
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:04,960
Huh.
It is in there because it was an

1542
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:05,960
LDS organ.
I was.

1543
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:10,400
Like what an interesting word it
is like be prudent with your.

1544
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,360
Use of fruits and.
Vegetables, yeah.

1545
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:15,920
I don't know if that means you
should restrict it, but it's.

1546
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:17,680
Certainly telling you to watch
out for something.

1547
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,600
I'm not really sure that that
just was interesting.

1548
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:22,120
Like I had no.
Conclusions.

1549
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:24,560
But I was just like, what an
interesting word.

1550
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:28,280
Like Thanksgiving again,
alluding to being a steward of

1551
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,040
the earth and being grateful and
and all that.

1552
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:35,280
And you know, that's, that's
just so interesting.

1553
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:39,720
And the wheat and the rice and
the oats being the staff of life

1554
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,320
and yeah, yeah.
And it's interesting that

1555
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:44,600
there's that seasonality.
Component to just saying you

1556
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:46,640
should be eating in season,
which we totally don't do in

1557
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:48,680
America, like at all.
I mean, some people probably do,

1558
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,920
but they're a tiny minority and
and that's all related to

1559
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,600
climate.
Change too right like the if we

1560
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:58,120
at seasonally it would be better
for the environment and you know

1561
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:02,640
wow crazy right huh well.
This is a good lesson.

1562
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:08,920
I think in really going back to
the source, whatever how we

1563
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:12,240
define source, just the primary
document, you know, we'll get

1564
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:15,840
very academic here be like this,
the this this primary document

1565
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:20,440
correlated with the
interpretation and the lower

1566
01:18:20,440 --> 01:18:23,120
like it's just folklore at this
point.

1567
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:26,000
I mean, it's really interesting
how it's changed over time and

1568
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,240
how some of this is.
Like very much applied in the

1569
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,320
modern Mormon church.
And some isn't at all like the

1570
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:33,560
meat.
Yeah, like so do should you go

1571
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:35,720
shame a Mormon when?
You see them eating a burger in

1572
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:38,520
summer, now I'm going to go
knock it out of their hands

1573
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:40,560
just.
Let's go to in and out.

1574
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,360
We're going to in.
And out in Centerville and we're

1575
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:44,160
going to.
Be like.

1576
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:46,560
Set it down.
Step away.

1577
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:47,600
Center.
Yeah.

1578
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:48,640
Mormon.
Oh, my God.

1579
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:50,560
Bad Mormon.
Oh my God.

1580
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:53,880
It's not just Heather Gay.
It's all the burger eating

1581
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:55,920
marmons.
If it's in the winter, it's OK.

1582
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:56,920
Yeah.
Or famine.

1583
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,200
Or famine.
Yeah, which we do not have here.

1584
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:01,280
Nope.
Not shot exactly.

1585
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:02,120
Nope.
Nope.

1586
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,240
Nope.
Especially with all those big

1587
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:08,640
mills and green storage units.
And yeah, no shortage of

1588
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,480
calories here.
Nope, definitely not.

1589
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:13,560
Well, wow.
There you.

1590
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,080
Wow.
Quite literally.

1591
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:16,080
Yeah.
Wow.

1592
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:22,240
Word of Wisdom.
Well, this has been a journey.

1593
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,160
It has.
If anyone's still listening, I

1594
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:25,840
think this.
One's.

1595
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,720
Educational and lightning, you
are not from the great.

1596
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:30,360
State of Utah, or if you've
never been.

1597
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:32,200
Mormon, I bet you learned a
little something today.

1598
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:33,960
Yeah, I would.
I would say so.

1599
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,760
And and and.
Maybe if you were, you have too.

1600
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,920
Because I know I did.
Yeah, me too, definitely.

1601
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:41,360
I mean I.
Kind of knew that it wasn't

1602
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:44,080
universally applied back in the
day, but I didn't realize like

1603
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:47,080
how common it was to like drink
beer, drink coffee, drink tea,

1604
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:49,360
all of that until the early
1900s.

1605
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:52,440
And Brother Brigham's bar.
Brother Brigham.

1606
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:53,840
'S bar.
That's hard to say.

1607
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:59,800
Maybe I have skills in another
linguistic direction.

1608
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:02,080
Yeah, there you go.
Feel like maybe your tongue

1609
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:04,160
skills should?
Be taken advantage of more

1610
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:06,400
often?
Maybe I should put that on my

1611
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:07,800
profile your.
Dating profile?

1612
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:11,480
Yeah, unspecified.
Tongue.

1613
01:20:11,480 --> 01:20:15,880
Skills.
Oh, God, no.

1614
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:18,040
I let's not do that.
Oh, dear.

1615
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,120
On that note.
All right, yeah.

1616
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:24,200
Just final thoughts.
Put your tongue in good things,

1617
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:25,280
people.
Mormon or.

1618
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:28,240
Not Oh my God, toss that salad
fence.

1619
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:30,840
Just kidding.
I meant food.

1620
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:34,160
And meat.
No meats, but yeah, OK, OK.

1621
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,240
Stay salty right there.
Stay salty, friends.

1622
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:40,000
We'll come at.
We'll come back in, we'll come

1623
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,120
at you.
We'll come next time.

1624
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:44,920
So there is a famine of.
Sorts happening for me and

1625
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:46,360
Melissa.
You can tell with all our

1626
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:48,240
Freudian slips.
So there you go.

1627
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:50,440
Definite famine.
Yes, OK.

1628
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:52,360
It's time of famine we need.
Meat.

1629
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:54,760
We need meat and people to come
at us.

1630
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:57,120
Send me friends.
All right.

1631
01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:59,600
Have a good meat.
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1632
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:02,320
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1633
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:05,400
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1634
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:06,840
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