Ten Things I Hate About U(tah)

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Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to our podcast.

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I'm Mel.
And I'm Claire.

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And together we are the salty
hoes.

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We are coming at you from behind
the Zion curtain, from the

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middle of the Mordor, AKA Salt
Lake City.

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And today we are going to talk a
little bit about this great

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state in which we live.
But before we get to that, hey

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Claire, how are things going for
you?

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How was your week?
It was all right.

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Oh, good.
Yeah.

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You're like, oh, God.
She didn't fall into the depth

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of despair instantly.
All right, things are looking

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up.
I like it.

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They're.
Looking up a bit, I I extended

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my flirting that I mentioned the
other week, or at least try to,

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and I flirted with two people
this week.

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Wow, you doubled your flirting
quotient.

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Double my flirting, you know, I
just, I don't really know that

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it paid off.
I think I'm quite bad at

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flirting.
I think I'm like too literal and

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it's it's like it doesn't come
across as hot.

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Maybe the men are bad at
flirting?

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It could be that.
Also, was this over text or did

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you go on a date?
Oh, it was definitely text I I

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have the beautiful situation
right now.

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I have.
I'm sure we've all encountered

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of like a a texty friend.
Oh yes, I know about the texty

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friend.
Yeah.

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I think it's been 4 weeks now.
He's been promising coffee and

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yeah, it's never going to
happen.

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I've accepted that.
OK, but at least we're getting

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some smutty text going back and
forth some.

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Some smutty text action.
That's the the only kind of

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action.
But you know, after a while you

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just get bored of that.
Right.

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Yeah, you can't.
It's hard to sustain that for a

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long period of time.
You can.

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You can survive in that alone.
It's like, you know, just always

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eating steak and no vegetables.
question mark.

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I was delving for like a a
metaphor there.

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I mean, that'll stop you up
pretty bad.

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Right.
So like at one point you're

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like, I'm literally full of shit
even though it's them that's

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more so full of shit.
But yeah, you're just like I I

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need variation, like ask me how
my day was or you know, what my

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favorite colour is or something,
anything instead of just like

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throbbing, Oh my, just get
random words.

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That's a whole other combo.
How was your week on that point?

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Any updates on on Mr. High Rise?
Oh yeah, I did actually see him

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yesterday and it was, it was
pretty lovely.

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That's so nice, yeah.
It's been pretty chill.

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We've just been kind of hanging
out.

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Mostly.
When we get together we just

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like talk for hours, which is, I
know, right?

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Does he ask?
Questions.

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He does ask questions.
Dear God, I know.

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Whoa.
Where did you find this Unicorn?

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Bumble.
Weirdly.

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Wow.
Short out to Bumble.

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Yeah.
Thanks Bumble anyway so.

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We're just kind of good.
Go with the flow right now.

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I love this for you.
Yeah, no big, no big breaking

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news, but just continuing
keeping on, keeping on.

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That's kind of nice.
It is nice.

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Those those just be like, you
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Feels like a low pressure
situation right now which I I

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appreciate.
That is lovely.

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Yeah, you give me hope.
And I'm sure other salty hoes

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out there some hope.
All right.

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Well, we'll continue to update
you on that developing

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situation.
Developing story over here at

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the Salty Hoes, Yeah.
Let's get into our topic for

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today, shall we?
I'm.

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So excited.
All right, so today we are going

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to riff on the title of a movie
that I enjoy from back in the

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day.
I can't remember when this was

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released, but maybe you've seen
it.

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It's called 10 Things I Hate
About You.

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Oh yeah, was that like late 90s
I feel like?

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So early 2000s somewhere around
there, but.

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It was good one.
Yeah, young Heath Ledger.

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A classic.
Yeah, a classic.

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So today the title of our show
is 10 Things I Hate About Utah,

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Utah, So We are good to you.
That's so good at it.

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Countdown 10 Things we Hate
about Utah, all in good fun.

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We do love our great state, we
do, but there are some quirks.

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There's definitely some quirks
and you know, maybe at the end

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we'll, we'll throw in a thing we
love just to balance in all

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things maybe.
That's a different episode.

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Maybe we'll do 10 things we love
about Utah.

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Perfect.
All right.

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But today, love it.
We're going to talk about 10

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things we hate.
Focusing on the hate.

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Yeah.
All right.

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So coming in at #10 the liquor
laws.

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That's that one's a no brainer.
Right.

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Yeah, they suck.
They're just so weird, so let's

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explain them for the outside.
Utah.

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Oh, yes.
OK, let's where do we start?

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Well, at this new liquor law is
starting to get kind of

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annoying.
Oh God, there's a new one.

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Yeah, so the new one, it just
started on January 1st.

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You have to have your ID scanned
every time you order a drink in

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a bar or restaurant.
Oh, that's.

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Right, so they can count them
basically.

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I think so, yeah.
And I'm kind of wondering like

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what data are they storing on
me?

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Yeah, like are are they going to
gift us free cocktails and they

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want to see what our favorite
drink is?

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No, I think it's more if you get
like a little wee punch.

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Card Yeah, like at Christmas,
they're like, thank you for

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being a good citizen of Utah.
Have a gin and tonic on us.

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You know what would be really
great?

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As if they would use that to do
your 2026 Utah Liquor wrapped.

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I think I would be afraid to see
how many bars I've been to.

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Maybe that's what they're trying
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They're like trying to shame
you.

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You had 123 drinks this year.
Like, yeah, I don't know.

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Who knows their motivation.
This can be a really weird

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place.
Absolutely it can.

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Be with with alcohol.
I should have finished that

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sentence.
You know, or just generally

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little ellipsis in there.
What's your favorite wacko Utah

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liquor law?
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I just it's very inconvenient
the the the link with public

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holidays.
So again, for those outside of

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Utah, you can only purchase like
wine and spirits at a Steat

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liquor store, which is subject
to very early closing lead

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opening and also closed on weird
holidays like President's Day,

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like many holidays, yes, all the
holidays.

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And so you're like, OK, I really
have to plan my liquor purchase

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because yes.
And so you can get like beer and

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seltzer's at the grocery store
if they're.

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Below 5%.
Right.

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Yeah, Isn't that right?
The cut off, that's right.

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But high inconvenient is it to
just not be able to go to Trader

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Joe's and pick up your wine like
it feels like an expedition.

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Which is is why they do it,
right?

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Yeah, to make it more
inconvenient.

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Yes, and it's just like, I just
would like a nice bottle of wine

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for my dinner, right?
Is that too much to ask?

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Apparently it is too much to
ask.

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It really is.
And it just, it just makes it

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very, very tricky and
inconvenient.

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I was hosting a book group once
and I think it was something

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like Presidents Day.
So like, you know, it just

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doesn't feel like like a holiday
holiday.

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You know, maybe it wasn't even
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Maybe it was Columbus Day.
Which?

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Yeah, let's not call it that.
But aside from that, like you

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don't get that off work.
No.

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So like, you're going to work
and stuff, so you're not

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articulating this is a holiday.
So I run to the liquor store on

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my way home from work to get
wine for book group.

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And it's close.
You can't do it.

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That's awful.
So then you call the friends,

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can I have a ball of wine?
Can I have a ball of wine?

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And.
I borrow a cup of wine, please.

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That's me crying.
Source my wine for the evening.

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So I just think that's like dumb
and it feels really

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infantilizing.
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Have you ever been to one of the
state liquor stores?

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Say the Wednesday before
Thanksgiving?

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The day before Thanksgiving?
Dear God, avoided at all costs.

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Get ready to wait in line for an
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Yep, on Christmas.
Oh.

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Yeah, same thing.
Yeah, right before the 4th or

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the 24th of July.
Yep, the 24th being Pioneer Day

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for those of you that don't live
here in the great state of Utah.

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We have an extra wee holiday in
July to celebrate, celebrate and

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scare, quotes the basically the
kicking out of the indigenous

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peoples from this valley.
So yeah.

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Yeah, it's a whole thing.
Sorry Mormons, I burst the

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bubble there.
But yeah.

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Well, let's also mention that
they were fleeing America,

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right?
So.

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Flee We at Fleeing America.
Yeah, The Pioneers, they were

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fleeing America.
Oh, like, yes, they were.

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That's.
True.

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It was.
It was Mexican territory at the

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time, yeah.
Yes.

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And I was like, wait, what?
Yeah.

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Fleeing America.
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I know now they fly their
American flags but in fact it

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was an anti American origin of
that holiday which is so

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interesting.
I know it is interesting.

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A whole other A whole other
episode.

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Yeah, we'll, we'll do a pioneer
themed episode in the summer.

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Back to the liquor laws, though.
One I particularly dislike is

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that you're not allowed to have
alcohol shipped to you.

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So I cannot join like a cute
wine of the month club, right?

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Have my favorite Cabernet
shipped in from, you know,

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California.
No bad evil, but then if you

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travel you can't drive back with
it either.

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Well, not legally.
Well, not.

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Legally, yeah, but you know what
I mean.

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It's like, well, how am I
supposed to do this?

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It's a great example of laws
that are set up to make people

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fail, not for the good of the
people.

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Right.
Yeah, There's no rationale other

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than just to irritate us.
Exactly.

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Any other liquor laws that you
particularly dislike?

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Well, the idea that you can't
that the whole food thing.

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Oh yeah, that's right.
If it's a restaurant, you have

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to order food in order to have
alcohol.

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Yeah, but if it's labeled as a
bar, that's not true.

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Is it?
Yes, that's right.

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But there's like weird crossover
with some of those breweries

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because they are like a
restaurant.

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So I mean, they've navigated it,
right.

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Like you can order a dollar side
of Pickles, right, Which is so

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dumb.
So that checks the wee box off.

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But like it just shows how dumb
it is.

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Yeah, futile.
Incredibly.

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Stupid like my Pickles.
Help me not get as drunk.

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Sure.
Also, there's a limited number

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of liquor licenses every year,
and it's difficult for new bars

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or restaurants to actually get
one.

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I didn't actually know that.
Yeah, yeah, Heist that.

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That's crushing
entrepreneurship, which I

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thought they all loved.
Right, I thought they were all

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about.
The small businesses?

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Clearly not if you're having the
evil alcohol.

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All right.
Well, I think we've covered this

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one.
What's our next one?

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So our next one is the shitty
public transportation.

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It's so bad.
Yeah, tell me what you don't

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like about everything.
You're like that's.

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Easy.
Although it's inconvenient.

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The buses are never on time.
I don't really take public

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transportation all that much,
but I, I did try for a short

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amount of time when I lived in
the Avenues to take it up to EU.

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Yeah.
And the inconvenience was just.

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Beyond irritating.
I and you were taking the tracks

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of the bus.
The bus?

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Yeah, yeah, the tracks.
I will try to take the tracks up

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to EU it.
I have never experienced it once

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being on schedule.
Oh my God.

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Like not once.
That's terrible.

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It's early, early it, but you
know, no shade Duta.

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It's literally never on time.
Wow.

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And when you're on a, we try
time crunch.

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It matters.
Yeah, that's not very helpful

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for people that are trying to
say get to work on time.

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No or to a class up at EU or
just or just something.

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But yeah, it's it's not, it's
not the greatest.

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And the the routes, I would say
routes in Ireland, routes or

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routes are very limited.
Right.

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Yeah, I feel like I've mapped it
before.

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I haven't taken it so much.
And in some cases it would be

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faster to walk because you have
to change buses 2 times to get

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to somewhere that if I get in my
car is maybe 20 minutes away.

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Yeah, it's definitely not set up
to discourage car travel, which

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is linked to another thing that
we don't like that we'll discuss

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later is our air quality.
Like we we haven't really got

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the public transportation piece
in place to try to reduce.

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Traffic, I mean, I love the
signs on the freeway when we're

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having one of those really
shitty air days that are like

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carpool or take public
transportation.

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You're like really?
I can't that'll be 3 hours of my

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day if I try to take public
transportation.

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That's.
That's very true.

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Yeah like cool idea U dot, but
maybe like give me an option

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that works.
Put the infrastructure in place.

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Back in the day, I lived in
Davis County, but at the time

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was trying to move to Salt Lake.
And so my kids were going to

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school in Salt Lake, but we
lived in Davis County.

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And that presented an issue on
the really big snow days.

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Oh, yeah.
Which I know are very difficult

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to even imagine, like, because
apparently we don't get snow

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anymore.
Right.

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But I'm talking about, you know,
when it would dump, like, a foot

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and a half.
Yeah.

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And up there you always get that
leak effect snow.

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Yeah, you get more.
Yeah, so like those days where

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even the freeways are impassable
and you know that if you set out

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in the freeway, you're going to
be sitting there for like 2

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hours to get to work.
Right.

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I mean, if you're lucky and you
don't get hit by like an F-150

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or something.
Or, you know, those those little

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like Geo metros that think they
can go 100 miles an hour and

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then they do like a series of
three 60s and then lift the

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freeway.
So yeah, it's very traumatizing

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learning to drive in Utah.
Oh, I bet.

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Yeah.
But anyway, some days I'd be

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like, OK, let's get the front
runner instead because you know,

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they put in that, that extended
track North and South so you can

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go to the burbs on your V tree
and which in theory is great.

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And you know, they're nice V
treans.

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But again, it would take so long
they they don't run very often.

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You get in and then yeah, I'd
have to get like 2 buses to get

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up to their school.
That's probably only two miles

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from station and you're just
like.

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Two hours later.
Yes, because you don't want to

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be getting an Uber in that
climate either.

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You would really have to have
like a car in Salt Lake and a

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car at your destination station,
which kind of defeats the whole

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purpose of it.
Yeah, yeah.

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So did you just keep your kids
home on those snow days?

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And no, weirdly, I was like,
let's go like, make it an

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adventure.
So yeah, that's funny.

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I've, I've kept my kid home.
Yeah, on a big snow day.

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I used to live up on in the
avenues on a hill.

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And when we had a foot or more
of snow, I'd be like, you know

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what?
Fuck that.

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Yeah, jowdy day.
That's right.

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We're learning at home.
Yeah.

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Or.
Whatever, that's awesome.

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We are attending the Nintendo
Switch Academy of Learning

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today.
I like that Academy.

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One of the problems was I had a
theater kid and those theater

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teachers, yeah, well, cuz they
always put the big play in

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February and I'm like, why do
you do that?

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Because then all the late nights
and stuff are in those wintery

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months and you know, my child
was was forward Slash is such a

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like a committed person.
She is doing something that's it

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like 100%, which I so love and
respect about her.

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And you know, it didn't help
that the teachers like you

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cannot miss.
A rehearsal, because then you

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will be kicked out of the show.
So I remember like one time

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getting the tree and and the bus
and tripsing through Sugarhouse

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park with like snow mid shin
with a big.

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Box of costumes.
On a Saturday.

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Trying to get to rehearsal.
Oh, the things we do for our

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children sometimes.
And thank you not public

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transport of Utah.
All right, Well, coming in at #8

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we have the food scene now.
I will say the food scene is

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improving.
It is getting quite a lot

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better, yeah, than it used to
be.

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But still, like I mentioned,
those liquor licenses are hard

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to get and I feel like we just
don't have the variety that you

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would find in another city of
this size.

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It kind of stifles, I'm sure,
the amount of restaurants or

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bars that could open.
And I do feel like, well, I

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mean, this is food related so it
matters more.

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There's like more restaurants
than a bar scene for sure.

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But like, you don't always want
to go out for a big meal.

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No, yeah.
Just like a little drink in a

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bite.
Yeah.

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Tapas Experience.
So I feel like this one might

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affect you more than me because
I know you have a very

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discerning palette and you you
like your re pop ups of the

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chefs and things like have you
find anything comparable or like

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hell yeah in Utah?
There's some places that I

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really like.
Let me just say a few off the

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top of my head.
I think Urban Hill is great.

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They do really good work.
Now that being said, it's really

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expensive, so I don't go there
all that often.

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That little cute area on like,
where is it 900 S?

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It's got three places I really,
really like.

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So the Pearl is one of my
favorite places in the city,

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yes.
It's good.

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It's kind of like a wee hidden
gem I feel like.

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Yeah, it's wonderful.
Great cocktails, really good

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food.
It's got that like Vietnamese

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twist to it.
It's just delicious.

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And then right around the corner
is Bar Gnome.

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Yes, OK, Right.
So modern izakaya Japanese.

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Sorry, they have really, really
hot bartenders.

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They do, actually.
Like, like staggeringly hot.

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Yeah, there's a a woman who
bartends there and she's

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incredible.
Like not only is she good

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looking, but she's one of the
best bartenders in the city.

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I feel like I forget her name,
sorry.

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But it's it is a good place.
Great place.

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And then throw that in there.
Attached to that is Water Witch,

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which is of that just a great
little bar.

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Little emphasis on little.
Oh, it's tiny.

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It's part of the charm.
Yeah, right.

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But sometimes it's it's hard to
get somewhere to sit because

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there's like 10 places to sit.
Right, you're like 2.

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I want my elbow touching the
person beside me.

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I don't think I.
Do it's a good place to go

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early, Yeah.
It's nice because I like there.

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You can go up and just say I
like gin, I like citrus, I like

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this, and they'll be like, let
me invent something for you.

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I love that it's.
Very nice.

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How about you?
What are some of your favorite

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places?
I think my well, I don't think I

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know wholeheartedly I love Arlo.
Oh, Arlo's great.

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So good.
I would argue that that is like

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Utah's best restaurant.
I think you could make that.

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Case yeah, because their food
like it's got all the facets of

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good restaurant, right wee small
menu, it's got a wee small menu.

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I love that I don't want to read
a novel.

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Yeah, right.
And they make jokes on their

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menu.
Yeah, I like their wee jokes and

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lovely wait staff and just, I
don't know, it's just got a

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really good feel to it.
Yeah, it's a good vibe.

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I love that they survived
because they opened right like

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the week before COVID.
Oh, that's right.

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Which is the most horrendous
timing and I was so joyful they

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made it through.
So we look go business and I

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mean their patio in summer for
like a late night dinner or a

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wee brunch at the weekend.
Perfection.

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Love it.
I'd love that place.

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Are there any places that used
to be here that you miss that

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are gone?
Oh my goodness.

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Well, did the whole like the big
fire on Main Street?

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Oh, yeah.
Well, I think White, some of

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those are reopening now.
Yeah.

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Whiskey St.
Yeah, White Horse.

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Those are good.
I can't think of any that aren't

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here anymore.
Do you have any that are gone

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that you loved?
Forage actually.

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So that was here for kind of a
hot minute.

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That was a tasting menu type
place, really delicious.

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I'm shocked it went out of
business.

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Really sad.
Where was that?

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Oh gosh, I can't remember.
Like Liberty Wells area maybe?

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Yeah.
Yeah, which actually there is a

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place tradition that is right by
Liberty Park.

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I think that went out of
business.

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That's yeah.
So there is one I missed because

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it was so they had the spin on
Mormon funeral potatoes.

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Oh, that was so good.
Yes, so good.

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They were lovely.
I'm so sad they went out of

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business.
Yeah.

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Did you ever go to Bill and
Nata's?

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No.
Where was that?

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I'm trying to remember, but that
was a greasy spoon diner that

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was like a fixture.
Nice.

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Yeah.
Back when we had no good

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restaurant.
Yeah, I love bee places.

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Yeah, it wasn't good food.
It was like hangover food.

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You know what I'm talking about.
You just.

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Need like a big greasy pancake
or and bacon or something.

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Well, I wouldn't eat the bacon,
but you know what I mean.

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I do.
Speaking of Utah originals, did

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you ever eat at the training
table?

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Oh my God.
I that that's a sad one to be

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close to.
You think so?

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Yes.
Did you not like?

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It I went there once and like,
for those of you that might not

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remember the training table,
there was a a phone, like a

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corded phone at each table
booth.

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Yes.
And you would pick it up and

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order your food instead of
having a server come.

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Yes.
Yeah.

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I went there one time and I put
my hand on the phone and it was

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extraordinarily sticky.
And I was like, you know, I

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can't.
I can't.

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No thanks.
And this is pre COVID times too.

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You're like, I just well, it
makes sense because it's all

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like fries and like hand kind of
food burgers and well, and then

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they call you back to tell you
it's.

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Ready.
That's right.

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See, I'm not a great people, or
so I think that appealed to me.

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I could just like call all my
ordering, but they're fry sauce.

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That was good.
I do love fry sauce.

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And it was like, cuz they did
like a wee BBQ hint in there.

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It was I missed their fry sauce.
OK, yeah, that's good.

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All right, well, pour one out
for the training table, the poor

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training table.
Well, I think we covered food.

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I think so actually in a lot of
depth yeah.

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And I, OK, let's go to number
seven of our things we hit about

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Utah just.
No water.

458
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:08,920
Yeah.
The lack of water.

459
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,480
No water.
No water.

460
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,000
Yeah, yeah.
No nice lakes, no nice streams.

461
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,040
We are drying up the Great Salt
Lake.

462
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,120
We're.
Which is creating an arsenic.

463
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,840
Clyde Yeah, well, it's supposed
to right The.

464
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,800
Arsenic to bite that dust.
Cloud.

465
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:23,800
Not great.
Yeah.

466
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:30,960
And it seems like we're taking
all that water to do what water?

467
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:35,280
Alfalfa agriculture, which is
like 2% of our economy.

468
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,160
Yeah, and give it to other
states, right?

469
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,600
We, oh, it's ridiculous,
ridiculous.

470
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,560
And it's, you know, our snowpack
I would imagine is not going to

471
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,040
be so hot this year.
So it's like, why are we giving

472
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:50,320
water away?
And and why the hell do people

473
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,800
have green lawns here?
Oh, that's a great question.

474
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,720
We live in the desert.
Yeah, we need to RIP it all out.

475
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,000
Zero escape.
Yeah, like states like Nevada

476
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,400
and other places do.
I know it's hotter there

477
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,560
generally, Yeah, But it gets
pretty hot here in the summer.

478
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,520
And why are we spending gallons
and gallons?

479
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,120
I just.
I don't understand that.

480
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,360
Well, part of it I think is
because the state, even though

481
00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:14,160
we're running out of water, is
subsidizing water so it's cheap.

482
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,360
Like you could make a rule about
it but probably even better is

483
00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:20,680
just to Jack the price of water
up and people will stop.

484
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,400
Because that's usually they're
not generally motivated by

485
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,440
ethical concern, right.
Damn it.

486
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,680
Look at my water bill.
We're gonna have a brown lawn

487
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,520
this year.
Yeah, that's, that's fair.

488
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,520
The lack of water is a problem.
And when I first moved here, I

489
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,240
got like, and still like, I'll
pet my cat and get a shock.

490
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,000
Oh yeah.
Or static.

491
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:48,320
Yeah, I go to get petrol or gas,
gasoline, gas at the gas station

492
00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:51,600
and I'm like, Oh my God.
Like I have to rub my hand on

493
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,720
the side of the car before I
touch the oh.

494
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,280
Yeah, 'cause it'll shock you.
It's like ZAP and my kids would

495
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,480
walk in their re slippers with
their fleecy, jammy bottoms

496
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,920
across the carpet and I'm like,
I literally can see sparks.

497
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,440
Yeah, like so the general lack
of humidity just to you know,

498
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,760
pivot off of water, water
adjacent that whole the lack of

499
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,640
humidity is, is rough here.
Yeah.

500
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,000
Do you find your house gets like
really dusty?

501
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,360
Yes.
Like, incredibly dusty compared

502
00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:21,800
to anywhere else you've lived.
Absolutely.

503
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,840
And I'm trying to, I I did go
all I on humidifiers this year

504
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,000
because I think even just
attempting to sleep in winter,

505
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,920
it's hard is with the dust said
dust.

506
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,640
And also like you wake up and
you're just like, my tongue is

507
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,520
stuck to the roof of my mice,
like I am dried out.

508
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,160
My lips are cracked.
Yes.

509
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,120
And there's some places we don't
want to be DRY so.

510
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,120
That is true, no?
Dryness.

511
00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:50,240
No dryness in certain areas
please.

512
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,280
All right.
Well, we're going to move on to

513
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,960
#6 coming in at #6 and maybe we
don't have to talk about this a

514
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,520
lot.
I think we've covered not to

515
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,080
replace this it's.
Kind of our whole podcast, the

516
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:04,400
dating scene.
The dating scene what what do

517
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,640
you find unique about the Utah
dating scene?

518
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,000
I mean, I think we've mentioned
it before, but you know all the

519
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,880
ex Mormons running around,
right?

520
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,520
This whole religious thing that
you have to navigate and

521
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,160
Mormons, active Mormons, yeah,
on the apps, yes, sometimes.

522
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:20,640
Some of them.
Should be reported to.

523
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,040
Their Bishop for the things
they're asking for in the app.

524
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,440
I'm just putting that right
there.

525
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,000
Oh, well, that's true too.
Yeah.

526
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,480
You're like, OK, like I know I'm
not a Mormon anymore, but like,

527
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,640
why are you asking for that?
But that doesn't make any sense.

528
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,840
Maybe it's this whole era of
Mormon 2.0.

529
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,840
I don't know.
But like I I couldn't be doing

530
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,000
that when I was a Mormon.
Yeah, that's true.

531
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,600
Yeah.
So maybe that's just a short one

532
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,720
since we talk about this all the
time.

533
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:45,840
It's.
Pretty well covered.

534
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,360
Yeah.
Well, moving swiftly on then to

535
00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:54,600
#5 this one is so interesting.
Utah drivers, how do you feel

536
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,320
about them?
They're so bad, so bad, so bad.

537
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:58,360
What?
Like, what do you?

538
00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:00,560
What is the core of the Vadnais
that you see?

539
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,600
I mean, I think there's multiple
things going on, but there is

540
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,320
just a general lack of respect
once people step behind the

541
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,880
wheel.
Yeah, I find that Utah drivers

542
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,160
don't know how to merge, not at
all.

543
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,600
Not from either side.
Not whether they're letting you

544
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,240
in or trying to get in
themselves.

545
00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:20,760
Like they don't.
Want. 2 They have no clue.

546
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,000
Even if they don't know, they
don't want to like I I, I feel

547
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,040
that vibe sometimes.
They don't want to let you in.

548
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,320
They.
Just don't want to let you in

549
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,200
and like they'll race up.
Oh yeah.

550
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,960
And then they'll be like
parallel with you and then go

551
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,840
past you, sometimes flip you
off, and then they will come

552
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,320
into your lane where that could
have just been a simple swap,

553
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:39,800
like a little dent.
Right.

554
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,880
We're just merging.
Yeah, Yeah, that was it.

555
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,880
Plenty of space.
I know my son is learning to

556
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,360
drive.
And the thing that terror, Well,

557
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,040
he's doing well so far.
But, you know, I'm trying to

558
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,320
instill this sense of defensive
driving.

559
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,560
Yes, whether I'm driving or he's
driving and somebody pulls one

560
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,640
of those stunts.
Yeah.

561
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,480
I'm like, oh, I'm sorry.
Am I besmirching the honor of

562
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,520
your house?
Gets a laugh out of him every

563
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,280
time.
That's a really good way to put

564
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,760
it, because that's how it feels,
right?

565
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,400
Like they're going to war.
Like we're going to a joisting

566
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,520
session.
Here like it's a personal

567
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,000
affront that you're trying to
merge onto the freeway somehow.

568
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,000
I friggin dare you.
Yeah.

569
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,400
And to be clear, the source of
the terror is not in your lovely

570
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,440
wee child driving.
It's the same terror I felt with

571
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,720
my own.
It's like I trust you.

572
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,240
I do not trust the other people
on the road.

573
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,080
And that's you really do have to
teach them the defensive

574
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,760
driving.
And it was just terror inducing

575
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,320
to me to think about them like
out there and like never go on

576
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,640
the freeway.
Just never, never.

577
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,520
It's banned.
You know, you know, it's bad

578
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,960
when you go to Miami, FL and
you're like, oh wow, the drivers

579
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,080
are so nice.
Here, so nice.

580
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,720
Here.
I even feel like that when I go

581
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,600
to like LA, right?
I'm like, they're so nice.

582
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,880
Here, yeah, look at the way you
can merge.

583
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,680
I know.
That's a beautiful thing.

584
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,200
Yeah.
You know, I actually read a

585
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,440
report that Weber State, or is
it Weber State University or

586
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,240
just Weber University I.
Think it's Weber State?

587
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,080
Is it unclear?
Anyway, the one up in Ogden here

588
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:15,600
did a report on why driving in
Utah is so bad.

589
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,160
So this isn't even like us just
noticing it.

590
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,400
It's like a documented, I like
it phenomena.

591
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,480
Yeah.
And so they did this study on

592
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,560
Utah drivers and interestingly,
it was like the pick your nose

593
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,840
syndrome.
So you know.

594
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,720
Tell me more about that.
You're like driving, picking

595
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,920
your nose.
You know how sometimes you look

596
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,640
over at a light or in the
freeway and usually, man, that's

597
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,640
just an anecdotal observation,
but his finger so far shoved up

598
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,480
his nose and you're like, dude
is picking a winner there?

599
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,760
Yeah, he's digging for gold.
Digging for gold.

600
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,720
And so, but it's this idea that
you're, you're in your car and

601
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,320
so you don't think people can
see you.

602
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,800
Oh, yeah.
Like you're just like, you know,

603
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,320
doing whatever you're doing in
the car and nobody can actually

604
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,520
see you.
So they related it to that

605
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,040
phenomena.
And also a strain of passive

606
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,720
aggressiveness where we know in
Utah, there's a religious

607
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,240
dimension, perfectionism.
And so the idea that people can

608
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,680
be like aggressive in a space
that nobody sees them, I have

609
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,280
never been flipped off as much
as I have been in Utah for other

610
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,520
drivers.
All the time.

611
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,920
Yeah, yeah.
And they have to eat in God, we

612
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,760
trust plates.
And they're like flipping you

613
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,760
the bird.
And you can tell shouting

614
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,400
obscenities and you're like, I
was literally just trying to

615
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,720
merge.
Yeah, or like, you'll be waiting

616
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,040
at a light, say, to turn right,
and there'll be someone behind

617
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,040
you honking at you, and you're
like, I literally can't go.

618
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,840
There are pedestrians in the
crosswalk and they're laying on

619
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:45,800
their horn.
You're like.

620
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,880
You're like.
There's there's a reason I'm

621
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,920
stopped, yes. 50 for.
All right.

622
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,560
And then they like swing around
you and flip you off as they go

623
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:55,400
by.
Give you the.

624
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,480
Yeah.
The rage.

625
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,280
And so it's.
A lot of rage.

626
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,720
There's a lot of rage, and
that's where like Weber

627
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,800
connected it.
They're like, people don't

628
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,920
really have an outlet here
because it's very permanent,

629
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,200
proper.
And so they basically get into

630
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,200
their car and become animals.
I think that's totally true and

631
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,320
I notice it a lot when I drive
down to say Draper or to Utah

632
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,720
County.
Yes, right.

633
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:22,160
Like you get just extremely
aggressive, rude drivers.

634
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,760
And then Yuri, you get out of
your car and they're like, oh,

635
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:29,480
hi, how's your, how are you?
And you're like, well, the

636
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,320
disconnect here is killing me.
Yeah, I remember, like, pretty

637
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,880
clearly.
I went up to Draper once to do a

638
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,960
trail run, you know, in Corner
Canyon.

639
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,200
Lovely.
Yeah, it's nice.

640
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,160
And I think I got cut off,
flipped off like a bunch of

641
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,240
times, like driving up there and
then I'm running in Corner

642
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,240
Canyon and I'm running up a hill
in like there's this kind of

643
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,400
cute family.
And as I run past them, they

644
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,080
start clapping and they're like,
oh, good job, you can do it.

645
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:58,400
I'm like.
What?

646
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,160
Just like out for a little run,
you're like.

647
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,240
What is this happening?
Here, this is all so strange.

648
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,960
You're like, what universe have
I entered?

649
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,320
I drove 20 minutes from home and
all the kinds of weird things

650
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,720
are happening.
Exactly.

651
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,920
I'm getting so much aggression
on the road and then this very

652
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,560
strange, inappropriate show of
support from you on the trail.

653
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,800
I mean, for support, yeah, I
guess I appreciate it.

654
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,320
But it's it's kind of strange.
I don't think I was visibly

655
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,720
struggling, Right?
I wouldn't imagine that you

656
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,960
were, you were striding up the
mountain and such pretty,

657
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,680
beautiful.
Encouragement.

658
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,200
Amazing.
Yeah, well, you just mentioned

659
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,120
this, but I'm going to say it
again because this is coming in

660
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,000
at #4 of 10 Things We Hate About
Utah.

661
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,960
Yeah, the focus on
perfectionism, it's a big one,

662
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,680
right?
Because it's everywhere, right?

663
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,040
We know we are the plastic
surgery capital of America,

664
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,400
right?
We are, yeah.

665
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:56,520
Or at least that's what I've
heard.

666
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,640
I guess I haven't, like, looked
at the data myself, so maybe we

667
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,720
should do that.
And I kind of feel like I want

668
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,240
to do a whole episode on this.
Yeah, I, I think so it's, it's

669
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,480
worth delving into the why.
Yeah, like why do?

670
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,000
I mean, it's obvious why.
Yeah.

671
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,160
They're, you know, the link with
Mormonism getting to the highest

672
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,360
level of heaven, being your most
perfect self, even if it means

673
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:25,200
you're like, dying inside or
exhausted or because perfection

674
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,000
is an illusion.
Right.

675
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,520
Of course nobody's perfect.
No, And I feel like I've also

676
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,480
heard it said and I I need to
look this, look up the stats on

677
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,800
this too, that Utah is number
one in per capita antidepressant

678
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,080
use.
Yes, I believe that's true.

679
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,920
And opioids and opioids, yes,
because I do we see the

680
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,560
correlation here.
Oh well, definitely, right.

681
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:51,160
We got to have those, yes,
because the, the push for

682
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:57,080
perfectionism is, is so big.
And I, I remember that when I

683
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:02,520
was a Mormon, I did feel like I
had to have my finances perfect.

684
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,960
I had to have my home perfect.
I had to have all the meals

685
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,880
perfect, like present my
children perfect with the little

686
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,920
bows stuck on their head, like,
you know, it just permeated

687
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,360
every part of life.
That was exhaustive.

688
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,480
Oh, that is just exhausting.
Yeah, even just listening to

689
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,400
that is exhausting.
And I think there's another

690
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,880
phenomenon too we could talk
about, which is sort of the

691
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,880
living beyond your means slash
bankruptcy, so people buying

692
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,320
these big houses and really nice
cars that they can't actually

693
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,480
afford.
Yes, that and or the phenomena

694
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,720
of in more suburban
neighborhoods like that, the

695
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,280
trend of like everybody has to
have like a golf cart and stuff.

696
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,240
Oh.
I guess I haven't run into that.

697
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,120
Oh, my God.
Like, and they all drive to the

698
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,840
ward on a Sunday in their golf
carts.

699
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,440
Oh, that's so weird.
I know.

700
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,720
But it's another flex.
Like, yeah, we have a golf cart.

701
00:33:58,720 --> 00:33:59,640
We have a golf cart.
Yeah.

702
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,080
Didn't Whitney Rose buy one for
her daughter in one of the.

703
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,800
Seasons.
Oh, I think that's right, yeah.

704
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,480
It's it's like the iconic
possession of suburban Utah.

705
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,679
I was not aware of that, but how
you know it fits right in it.

706
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,560
It feels like as well the what's
that big like suburban that a

707
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,280
lot of LDS families drive like a
Yukon or something.

708
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,199
Oh yeah, you see a lot of
Yukons.

709
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,520
I feel like you used to see that
Escalade a lot, the Cadillac

710
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,400
Escalade.
That's the one I was looking

711
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,960
for, yeah.
And then also what you see a lot

712
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,520
of is those big trucks.
So my son would call them.

713
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,639
He's not the only one.
Pavement princesses.

714
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:38,520
OK.
So it's like I love a truck or

715
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:41,520
you know, an SUV that you is
made for driving off road, but

716
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:42,960
you never drive it off road.
You're.

717
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:44,560
Driving in your suburban
neighborhood?

718
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,080
Exactly.
Pavement Princess.

719
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,239
Oftentimes it's a Ford F-150,
right?

720
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,920
I feel like that's a classic
douche mobile in Utah.

721
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,840
Yeah, it's 100%.
And those things are not cheap.

722
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,680
And then you see them lifted
and, like, all pimped out, and

723
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,080
you're like, that's an $80,000
truck.

724
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,520
That's a lot, Yeah.
Like a lot, yeah.

725
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,480
I think I spent like 24,000 on
my Subaru and I felt like I was

726
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:09,800
living large.
Right.

727
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,040
Like Oh dear God, 24,000 for a
year old.

728
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,880
I mean God, that's like so
frugal and reasonable.

729
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,640
I just, I don't feel the need.
And I just.

730
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,600
Yeah.
I mean, they're just like we can

731
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,680
hardly breathe here in winter.
And, you know, there may be a

732
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,400
correlation, that's all.
I'm true.

733
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,080
Yeah.
Yeah.

734
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,560
The perfectionism thing is not
good.

735
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,600
It's not good.
We don't like it moving to #3

736
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:40,840
we're getting into our top
three.

737
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,440
Here.
OK, top three.

738
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,160
So this is 1.
I think that everybody can

739
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,960
notice right off the bat, as
soon as they come to Utah,

740
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,960
especially in suburban areas,
the lack of diversity.

741
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:55,160
I hate it.
Yeah, and this is like, I mean,

742
00:35:55,560 --> 00:36:00,160
diversity in Utah standards.
I can't find the words.

743
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,080
It's it's not how I feel.
We would divine.

744
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,280
Dear God, I'm pulling right into
the Mormon vernacular.

745
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:11,720
We wouldn't define it in in ways
we might define it in other

746
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:15,320
places like.
I feel like even a slight oddity

747
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:20,440
here or a slight quirk or a
slight accent is like.

748
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,400
Like, well, I guess you would
know first hand, right?

749
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,040
Yeah.
You know, it's like I am not

750
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,800
what you would call diverse.
Well, I mean, yeah, if you just

751
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,560
look at you, you would fit right
in.

752
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,520
But I guess as soon as you open
your mouth in Farmington, Utah,

753
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,760
then you're immediately other,
right?

754
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,840
It's all just like.
We what?

755
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,720
Like, why do you think so funny?
And it's like, dear Jesus, like,

756
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,280
listen yourself, by American
standards again, I'm not in any

757
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,080
way promoting this, you know,
when you're of white European

758
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,480
descent, sadly, in this land
that is, you know, perceived as

759
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,480
the norm or whatever that is.
But yeah, even I saw it with my

760
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,600
children in their very suburban
Utah elementary school, some of

761
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,040
the things that they got, like,
you're just so different.

762
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,800
It's like, but are you?
Question boy, I don't know,

763
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,480
like.
I feel like not only the lack of

764
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:18,040
diversity is a problem here, but
the struggle with even slight

765
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,200
diversity is equally as
annoying.

766
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,440
Yeah, that totally makes sense
to me.

767
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,440
Yeah.
And I can understand why, you

768
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,120
know, diverse populations don't
feel welcome or a home.

769
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,440
It's it's systemic,
institutionalized here even.

770
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,440
Yeah, I mean, it's weird, like
moving here from California,

771
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,560
you're like, wait, why is
everybody white?

772
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,400
Like what?
What?

773
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:45,680
Utah is disturbingly very.
White and not only in, you know,

774
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,520
the optics, but the attitude,
yeah, as well, which is I think

775
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,320
the the very difficult part.
Funny story.

776
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:57,160
When I moved here, you know, I
was like, oh, this place is is

777
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,000
very white.
And in seeking a place to live

778
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,080
with my dear children and, you
know, wanting them to have just

779
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,040
a nice good life experience, I
was like, are are there some

780
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:13,760
more diverse parts?
And people referred me to North

781
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,120
Davis County where up near Hill
Air Force Base.

782
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,800
Oh, and they said, oh, because
the the base is there, the

783
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:25,600
community is very diverse.
And I was like, OK, no, it just

784
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,160
means there's more maybe non
Mormons than in Bountiful.

785
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,640
Oh, I see.
And I was like, good God, like

786
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:35,360
that was misleading.
Oh, that's very misleading.

787
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,320
Yeah.
I mean, I guess we do have some

788
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,320
pockets of diversity.
I feel like there.

789
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,200
I thought you were gonna say
something about West Valley,

790
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,480
actually.
No, Well, because I I mean we

791
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,800
can get into like socioeconomic
stuff and race and you know, all

792
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,400
of those things and that the
terror that E siders have of the

793
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,600
West side.
I know you'll tell, you'll have

794
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,440
people telling you it's
dangerous to go to like Rose

795
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,000
Park.
Well, now that's gentrified

796
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,040
quite a lot, but like or West
Valley and you're like, really?

797
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:11,840
Like even even my house, I, you
know, I'm barely West and people

798
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,440
are like your neighborhood.
And it's like, Oh my God.

799
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,400
Like, yeah, calm down.
Yes.

800
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,760
Like go live in a real city for
a few years.

801
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,120
Come back, check back with me.
Exactly.

802
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,960
Yeah, it's it's very
interesting.

803
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,880
There's definitely like a a
bubble that people are happy to

804
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,280
keep here.
And it's kind of gross.

805
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,600
Yeah, I agree.
All right, well, let's move on

806
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,000
to #2.
Speaking of.

807
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,840
Gross things, yes.
Speaking of gross things, our

808
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,760
#210 things we hate about Utah
is the air, the air quality.

809
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,760
It's so bad.
Worst in the country?

810
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,280
A lot of.
Days in the winter, Days.

811
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,240
Well, in the summer, too now,
because we have wildfires all

812
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:52,480
the time.
So I guess now we live in a

813
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,000
situation where the West burns
down every single year.

814
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,720
Yeah.
And just like in the winter, we

815
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:01,520
have some of that smoke collect
in the valley because we kind of

816
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,920
live in this bowl, right?
We're surrounded by mountains.

817
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,240
Yeah.
Air gets trapped.

818
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:07,160
The pollution gets trapped,
can't get out.

819
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,200
And then we're all just choking
on filth.

820
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,880
Yeah, and it is literal filth.
Like, you know those days when

821
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,640
it's really bad and you can you
can see it like circulating in

822
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,000
the air and then you taste it?
Yes.

823
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,800
You're like I'm tasting car
fumes and.

824
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,040
Industry, yeah, you get that
like kind of heavy metal taste

825
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,160
in your mouth.
It's really nasty.

826
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,040
And low key sore throat.
Yep, headaches.

827
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,560
Yep, all those health risks and
respiratory.

828
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:39,360
Obviously they tell you not to
exercise outside and you know

829
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,920
the, there's some people from EU
that have looked at, for

830
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,840
example, emergency room
admissions versus bad air days

831
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,880
and it spikes particularly in
the pediatric population.

832
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,080
I know Herbie baby.
I know the little babies are

833
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,640
choking on the filth too.
It's bad.

834
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,880
It's really bad.
And with our lack of moisture

835
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,240
this year, we're not cycling
through those quick.

836
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:04,760
It's like, yeah, look, we've had
the inversion, as they call it,

837
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,120
for 10 days.
And I think it's most disturbing

838
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,480
when you drive up a Canyon into
the mountains and you're like,

839
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,480
wait, the sky is blue?
I can see the sun, yeah.

840
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,680
And it's, you know, you like,
drive out of that like, misty,

841
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,240
foggy gunk fest at the top of
the Canyon.

842
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,160
And you're just like, oh, my
God.

843
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,240
And then you have to drive back
into it.

844
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,280
Or when you take a flight,
right?

845
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,360
And you just see, you get above
the gunk and you're like, Oh my

846
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,280
God.
And then you look down and you

847
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,480
see the ceiling of
disgustingness.

848
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,480
We're all gonna die.
Apparently we are a few years

849
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:39,760
earlier because of.
This.

850
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,440
Yeah, I think that's about 3
reduces life expectancy.

851
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,720
I did never conceive of living
in a place where you have to

852
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:50,600
check in the morning the air
temperature or the air

853
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,640
temperature, just like the
temperature in the weather and

854
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:55,720
the air quality.
Should I go for a run this

855
00:41:55,720 --> 00:42:01,120
morning or would that actually
do less for my health than if I

856
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,120
just stay in bed?
You're like, oh, it's like I'm

857
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,880
taking a run and smoking a few
cigarettes at the same time.

858
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,520
It's kind of equal.
Sometimes when I see people like

859
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,000
running in that I'm like dude,
no, go home.

860
00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:13,040
Like this is no.
You know what?

861
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,200
I run in it though.
Actually, I just kind of don't

862
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,840
pay attention.
Do you wear a wee mask?

863
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,280
No, you're like no, I will not
do that.

864
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,840
I'm not.
I'm not training for a high

865
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,040
altitude well I guess.
I mean, I don't think it would

866
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,600
help unless you have one of
those kind of heavy grade

867
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,960
particulate masks anyway.
Like that's not great.

868
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,320
A piece of fabric isn't going to
do anything.

869
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,680
Yeah, yeah, it's the same air.
It's it's not good.

870
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,320
Yeah.
Which which really brings us to

871
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,880
item number one.
Number one, because there is a

872
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,320
correlation here because there
doesn't seem to be like a whole

873
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,400
lot being done to try to
counter.

874
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,560
This bad air situation, I
wouldn't say so.

875
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,680
Nope, and it's not top of mind
for item number one, which is

876
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,760
the Utah Legislature.
So tell me, Mel, why do you

877
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,000
think this is #1?
Oh, this has got to be #1 I feel

878
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,840
like we're living in this weird
theocracy, right?

879
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,080
Where?
And we also have a legislature

880
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,200
that feels pretty corrupt to me,
right?

881
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,080
They're all business guys.
They pass laws to help

882
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,600
themselves, help their friends,
etcetera, etcetera.

883
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,680
I mean, just like, look at the
scandal with the Olympics the

884
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,080
first time, right?
Horribly mismanaged because

885
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,600
they're just handing it off to
friends and cronies.

886
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,600
I mean, look at who gets those
UTA contracts.

887
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,280
Like look at who benefits when
they move the prison.

888
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,000
Like, this is all cronyism.
It's gross.

889
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,760
It's really bad.
And then on top of that, we have

890
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,880
all the lovely quote messages,
laws that they like to pass.

891
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:41,160
Yeah, like the the liquor laws
and the I mean, what was the

892
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,240
situation a couple of years ago?
Because didn't, didn't the

893
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:47,440
people of Utah vote to legalize
weed?

894
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,800
And then the.
Legislature was like, no, just

895
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,200
kidding, Yeah.
Yeah, they're like, we reject

896
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,600
the voice of the people and
we're not going to do it or

897
00:43:55,600 --> 00:44:00,200
we're going to do it in a really
awkward, again, like cock block

898
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:01,560
kind of way.
Right.

899
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,480
Yeah, yeah, It's a real treat
every single year when the

900
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,160
Legislature is in session.
It's it's funny how that

901
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,680
separation of church and state
is really emphasized in some

902
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,720
areas and then completely
forgotten in others.

903
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,480
Yeah, I don't think there's much
separation.

904
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,920
There, there's like 0 and you
know, I think what we have a

905
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:26,360
bite 1516% female representation
in the legislature.

906
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:27,480
I struggle with that.
Word.

907
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:28,800
Yeah, That sounds right.
Yeah.

908
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,560
The legislature, right.
So they're really not doing

909
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,400
anything to help with our bad
air, to help with our unhoused

910
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,200
population, which just seems
like it's growing by the day in

911
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,240
downtown Salt Lake City, right.
Would you agree?

912
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,080
Oh, 100%.
I I'm indefinitely in a

913
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,560
neighborhood because I live
close to dinetime and, and what

914
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:54,200
I see Mendenhall is that when
there's a big event happening,

915
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,240
the city comes in and kind of
sweeps.

916
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,640
Oh yeah, the on high.
Squares about that immediate

917
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,560
area.
To make this city look.

918
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,200
Pretty.
Or whatever the motivation is,

919
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,640
but I think that's like a little
bit gross.

920
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,480
Definitely, and to be fair it
can be a pretty difficult

921
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,320
problem to solve, but it just
seems like they're not even

922
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,440
trying, they're just doing
things that make it worse. 100%

923
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,840
And I know that our governor put
forward this big.

924
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,040
There was like videos made, I
can't remember who he made with

925
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:28,640
them, where he's like, look at
us.

926
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,720
We're great at honoring our
differences in Utah and we talk

927
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:34,360
across the aisle.
And I was like.

928
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,000
Wait.
What you mean by completely

929
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,160
ignoring an entire sector of
your population?

930
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,040
That's cooperation in your mind.
OK.

931
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:50,560
Yeah, it's it's it's not good.
And you know, I think it

932
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,080
trickles down to local
government as well.

933
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,680
At least I think I've definitely
had some experiences seeing that

934
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:04,440
in terms of, you know, again,
choosing where to put the, the

935
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:10,280
emphasis, which let's also
reference the, the pride flag

936
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,800
ban.
Oh my God, ridiculous.

937
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,000
Which, you know, hell slap it up
them.

938
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,440
I don't.
Is that an American saying?

939
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:18,400
Is that?
Eric, wait.

940
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,560
Say that again.
Hell, slap it up them.

941
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:22,880
I've never heard that.
What does that mean, Claire?

942
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,280
Well, there's a new one for you.
I just, you know, this is our

943
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,640
last year of Sundance in Utah.
That's right.

944
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:34,320
Specifically because Sundance,
we're like, we don't actually

945
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,040
want to be in a state where the
pride flag is banned.

946
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:42,520
So you reap what you sow, One of
the biggest economic boosters

947
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:47,840
for our state.
Is now gone because of the just

948
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,360
hatefulness of the legislature.
Yeah, right.

949
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,520
Didn't the Outdoor Research
Festival go or not festival?

950
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,480
What am I saying?
You know what I'm talking about.

951
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:57,840
The convention.
Yes.

952
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,920
Yeah, yeah.
They moved that too, didn't

953
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:01,000
they?
For the same reason.

954
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,280
Which thank you for doing that,
which may sound silly because,

955
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,880
you know, we all benefit from
those things, but I think the

956
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,560
legislature need to hear from,
you know, people outside of Utah

957
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,680
that that's actually not
acceptable.

958
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:16,560
Well, it's really baffling to
me.

959
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,200
I mean, we talked about the lack
of water.

960
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:22,400
So we're spending, you know, a
good chunk of our water, yeah,

961
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,320
watering alfalfa fields, right,
which brings in 2% of our

962
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,520
income.
And yet tourism, which is a

963
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,440
really big money maker for us.
Like we have people come from

964
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,120
all over the world to ski in
Utah, to come down to our red

965
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,120
deserts, etcetera.
Like, yeah, sure, let's drive

966
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,320
out tourism and business
conventions, which I thought

967
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:41,680
they were also supposed to be
for.

968
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,000
Yeah, to make a weird
ideological point.

969
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:50,400
Yeah, because it turns out,
actually regular people do care

970
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:55,240
about, you know, different
groups and them feeling safe in

971
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:57,760
the world and good and
represented.

972
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,400
Whereas, you know, the Utah
Legislature is like, no.

973
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,640
Yeah, I mean, we also have this
kind of weird reputation.

974
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,280
You know, Utah people are
endlessly fascinated with the

975
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,160
Mormons and like our weird
culture and our weird laws.

976
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,600
And I feel like they're just
kind of leaning into that and

977
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,920
making it worse.
Yeah, but it's like it's going

978
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,800
over into the realm of
hitfulness nigh.

979
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,600
Oh, definitely.
Never, never.

980
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,080
Good.
So Utah Legislature, step it the

981
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:30,760
fuck up, please.
Yeah, please, as our plea, as my

982
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,960
son would say, be better.
Be better yes, if you want us to

983
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,320
talk about you better then just.
Be better.

984
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,040
Yeah, please.
All right, friends, that's our

985
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:40,640
list for today.
Hope you enjoyed it.

986
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,680
If there's anything you'd like
to add, yeah, please hit us up

987
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,360
in the comments.
And for those of you outside of

988
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,240
Utah, we hope you got a we
education.

989
00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:52,720
And to know that when you come
to Utah on vacation, don't go to

990
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:54,960
Whole Foods for your wine.
Yeah, right.

991
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,160
It's not going to happen.
You've got to figure out the

992
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,520
state liquor store, and they're
weird opening hours.

993
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,240
Exactly.
All right, we'll catch you next

994
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:02,920
time.
Friends.

995
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,520
Take care.
Bye.