Dirty Sodas and Divine Downloads: An Evening with Jessi Draper

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Hello.
Hello.

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This is Claire.
I'm Mel.

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And together we are.
The salty hoe.

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I forgot to say it.
Oh, you missed it for once.

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I.
Missed it.

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I'm like just looking at you.
The salty hose.

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The salty hose.
Together we are the salty hose.

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All right, good morning.
It's a Saturday morning.

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Good morning.
We're recording this Saturday

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morning.
You'll hear it on Tuesday, but

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it's it's bright and early.
It's yeah, it's not really that

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early, but it feels quite early
to me because some very lovely

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people threw me a party last
night and my beautiful Claire

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hosted a birthday gathering.
It was it was very fun and I so

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fun.
I'm glad you're you're a wee bit

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hungover.
Because you should be.

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I'm a little hungover.
Yes.

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Claire made this amazing
cocktail that she called

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stripper juice and little hat
tip to our Real Housewives of

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Rhode Island and I may have
slightly overindulged and said

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Stripper Juice.
Well, in your defense, it's one

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of those drinks that doesn't
taste like a drink drink.

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Yeah, it's.
Just like a fruity, light summer

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beverage.
Like heaven, Yeah.

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So it's like, oh, I'm just going
to quench my thirst here.

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And then you're like, oh,
there's gin in that.

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Right.
Yeah, it's hard to taste.

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And then it was topped off with
some sparkling wine and it was

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really just absolutely lovely.
I'm so glad that you liked.

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It Oh my goodness, y'all did the
best job on the theming.

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So the theme was bubble dogs and
I don't know if I talked about

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bubble dogs on the podcast or
just to you, but on the podcast

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I did OK.
Sometimes I can't remember what

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I've said, like on the mic and
what I've said just to my my

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lovely Claire, but it was this
restaurant in London that I love

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that served champagne and hot
dogs, so it was perfect.

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It feels very on brand for me,
very classy meets trashy.

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Except I forgot like the main
component of the night.

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So this was inspired by one of
our conversations about the Real

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Housewives of Rhode Island.
And they had the RE 4th of July

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party and the hot dogs and the
the caviar hot dog, which you

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said signed it.
Magnificent.

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It does.
And so we were going to do a

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caviar hot dog for you.
So planning it with Mel's

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beautiful sister-in-law who I'm
actually in love.

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Oh my God, isn't she the best?
Oh my God, like she sidebar

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while I like pay homage to well,
sister-in-law.

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She just is like, so she's like
the full meal deal.

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She really is.
Like she is stunningly gorgeous.

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I mean, she looks like a model,
literally.

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So smart, so kind, soft hearted,
like so like, like curious, I

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don't know, but like, you know
what I mean?

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Like just her conversation is I
love she's just so.

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Interesting to talk to.
Yeah.

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And she's so funny.
Yes, hilarious.

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And so after last night, I'm
just like, yeah, I'm in love

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with my sister-in-law.
Yeah, totally fair.

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We all are.
Sorry to your lovely brother

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who's also lovely like they give
me hope.

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Right, I know second marriage
for.

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Both of them, right?
Yes.

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And I'm just like, OK, yeah,
like.

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They're the best, I just adore
them.

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It was so great that they were
there and then my sister was

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there as well.
Yes, your other Oh my God, and

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another full meal deal, you
know.

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Isn't she's so great?
Can I just talk about like the

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genetic spool of your family?
I mean, I know your

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sister-in-law isn't like, you
know, genetically, but obviously

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she was drawn into your lovely
family like your family is.

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They're just incredible.
Like Oh my God, what goodness

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did your lovely sister bake?
Oh, my goodness.

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She is a very talented Baker, so
she's always making these, like,

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obscenely delicious desserts.
But this was an homage to me

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again.
So it was a BlackBerry bourbon

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smash cupcake tail.
Yeah, it was good.

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Ridiculous.
But they looked magnificent,

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like sometimes I can make things
taste good.

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I will, I will absolutely can.
But they they sometimes look

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like they fell on the road,
like.

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You know what I mean?
They do, but.

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She had it finessed like.
Oh yeah, she does professional

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quality baked goods.
Seriously, like they they looked

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like they were from a store.
Yeah, they were that good.

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Yeah, that's right.
Like, incredible.

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And she also smells really good.
Oh yeah, she does.

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I sound like, and you might not
like know this because she

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probably wouldn't tell you, but
she does these like really fancy

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professional grade cakes and
donates them to children whose

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parents can't afford like a nice
birthday cake.

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Oh my.
God, yeah.

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See like full meal deals.
Right.

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Yeah.
All right, like just good

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humans, like gorgeous humans,
talented humans.

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But it was so.
It was so fun.

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It was so fun.
And then you had like some of my

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bestest, bestest friends in the
whole world there, which was

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really, really wonderful.
I felt so loved.

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We we got your recollection of
people together and back to the

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hot dog.
Sorry, before I went in all

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those tangents like purving over
your family.

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So we were going to make the
caviar hot dog.

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Oh yeah, and your beautiful
sister-in-law, she's like, I

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bought the Pringles because you
said the Pringles pair well.

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And she was like, where's the
caviar?

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And I was like, I had one job.
Excuse me?

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I think you had 1000 jobs.
I walked into your place and,

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like, you were cooking.
Wait, like what?

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Four types of hot dog?
I was like Claire.

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This is classic Claire.
Like, let me go over the top.

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Take it to 11 and just make
everyone feel so loved and just

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in awe of your party hosting
skills.

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I.
I do.

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I love to feed people.
I I really do believe it's an

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Irish thing.
Like harkening back to the

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Mormon days.
We used to have these like

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monthly gatherings, I guess in
the olden times they call them

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cottage meetings.
Did you have that term grown up?

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No.
Well, that, yeah.

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I don't know if it was an Irish
thing or a but it was like, you

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know, you just got together with
the people of the church, but we

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were like rotating around
someone's home every month.

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And the Bishop, who I was
married to at the time, Bishop's

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wife actually stopped them
because people were going

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mental.
Like it was like, but I was

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like, but you can't stop that.
We enjoy that.

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Like it's, it's, you know, a
culture that likes to cook for

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people, so.
I love this culture.

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I I love this culture too.
So yeah, we just had to make

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sure you had all the meat you
could possibly decide.

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Oh, I had plenty of meat.
In in all the formats.

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So yeah, it was.
It was so fun.

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So fun it was, I had the best
time together.

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Yeah, so I'm glad you're a wee
bit worse for wear this morning.

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In the best possible way I am,
and I think it's still a little

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bit.
I'm on the recovery train from

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the jet lag as well, much better
now, much better.

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But I still have a little sleep
deficit that I am paying back.

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So yes.
You need to get some more sleep

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into your We Sleep Bank.
That's right.

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I feel like I'm on the right
time now at least.

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Good.
Yeah, but still catching up.

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Yeah, you need like a we
vacation after your vacation.

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Right.
Yeah, that's often the case.

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Definitely I I did sub a yoga
class at 7:30 this morning and

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it it was a rough start, I'm not
gonna lie.

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Oh my God, you're amazing.
I'm in awe of you.

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I was not awake at 7:30 this
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Oh, it was.
Yeah.

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It's I actually when I sub this
Class A we shout out to my we

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Saturday morning ladies.
They're so cute.

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I, I just love them.
They just fill my heart with

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goodness.
They are.

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They are just lovely.
Amazing.

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It was good and here we are now.
Here we are doing our favorite

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thing.
It really is.

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And we we have a a fun kind of
impromptu episode today.

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We do.
So we decided to leave the house

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a couple of times actually this
past week.

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Shocker.
I mean, shocker.

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We're like and one of those
nights was was very interesting.

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Mel, tell us about it.
Oh wow, it was so funny when you

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pitched this to me because OK,
it was in my calendar as Angel.

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Woo woo shit.
This was an evening with Jesse

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Draper from The Secret Lives of
Mormon Wives, which is how I

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think it came on your radar.
Yes, but it was her and her

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channeler.
Is that the word?

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Yes?
I don't know A.

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Channeling Angel.
Reader.

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The only other term I'm familiar
with is like an Angel card

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reader, but she didn't do cards.
So channel.

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Yeah, a channel.
I mean, essentially she was a

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quote psychic.
Yes, yes.

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Some kind of pars.
Yeah, and she was on the show

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for at least one episode, right?
Like, we did have a brief cameo

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of her on the show, and it seems
like Jessie has been relying on

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her in a similar way that one
would rely on kind of a

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therapist, except she's having
this person read her aura and

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look into the future of her
timeline and talk to dead

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people.
So it was a smorgasbord of all

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my very favorite things.
You were elated, I could tell,

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yes.
So you know I would be partial

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to a wee Angel reading myself
with with the cards, mostly.

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Shout out to Betty, who actually
is, I think, a very good Angel

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card reader.
Personally, can you tell me what

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Angel card reading is?
I actually have no idea.

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So I actually don't know the
difference between like an Angel

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card reader and a tarot.
I think maybe the distinction

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lies in that there's more of a
belief that like Anjali, people

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are sort of channelling, I guess
are, you know, guiding the

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reading.
OK, maybe as opposed, but I

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don't know who who is believed
to be guiding the tarot question

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mark.
So I'm surface level woo woo.

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Like I'm I'm not deeply
embedded, but you know, it's you

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just pick cards.
So like you might pick a deck

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deck to be clear with my accent
deck DECK.

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And you know, you might shuffle
or they might shuffle and you

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tell them when to stop and then
they just turn it over.

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And you'll usually have like a
theme to the reading.

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OK.
And sometimes she has a formula.

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So like the first card will tell
you where you are now, or you

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know there'll be.
Each card is like a specific

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answer to a specific question.
I see.

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I can see.
I can just see.

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I'm just trying to take it in.
Can I share something

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embarrassing?
So a couple of years ago when

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when you and I didn't know each
other so well, I believe that I

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like got you an Angel card
reading and I'm really

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embarrassed.
Why are you?

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Embarrassed.
That was very sweet of you.

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Yeah, but you were probably like
Jesus, No, like.

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I was actually kind of excited
and curious to go, but like, it

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was right after I got divorced
and I just like, I never

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actually got around to it.
And then I remembered it a

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little bit later and I was like,
I'm an asshole.

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Like I actually was quite
excited to see what it was all

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about.
And I just like, yeah, exactly.

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And I never did, but that was
more because I was, you know,

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trying to move into a new house
and like re establish a new

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life.
And it just kind of fell through

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the.
Minor things.

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Yeah.
Going on at the time.

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Yeah, right.
Dealing with an immense amount

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of, you know, grief and
etcetera, etcetera.

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So yeah, it kind of fell off my
radar.

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And then when I remembered it, I
felt really bad because I was

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like, oh, that was so sweet of
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just.
To see yeah, I think, I think we

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should do that.
Actually I think we we should do

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a like a A1 on one reading for
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it and put it on the podcast or
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That would be fun.
You're like, Oh yeah.

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Not convinced.
I know.

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Yeah.
What?

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What do you think?
Like I mean, I wouldn't say put

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you off but makes you like
skeptical of the woo woo.

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I think that I'm coming from a
place of not believing in

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anything supernatural.
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framework underpinning this

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stuff.
So, for example, there are lack

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thereof.
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I this this person that we saw
on Thursday.

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I do not believe that she is

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talking to dead people.
I do not believe that she is in

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contact with Marciano's dead
father.

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Who knocked a Candlestick?
I Right.

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I do not believe that she can
see into the future.

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Yeah.
And so she in particular really

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irritated me because I think
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know that, you know, some people

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do believe in what they're
peddling.

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whether she did or not.

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I disliked her very strongly.
Now, that being said, there are

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some practitioners at this stuff
who I think do truly believe in

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what they're doing and they
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helping people.
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are really actually helping
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something to latch onto.
Of course, yes.

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But I don't believe that anyone
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I don't believe that that's a
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I think that is fine.

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I, I also don't think these have
any power to tell you anything

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objectively about the universe
that's outside of you.

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I don't think the stars control
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your future.
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value in these things because I
think it can maybe tell you

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something about yourself that
you didn't realize.

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OK, so I've seen people do tarot
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like, OK, to me it's bullshit in
the sense that this is telling

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you something external, right?
But in talking through some of

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this stuff, it may allow you to
kind of discover something

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internal that maybe you weren't
able to put into words before.

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Does that make sense?
That makes complete sense and is

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aligned with how?
Prayer is actually sure, yeah.

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You know, like sort of the
whatever you believe or who

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you're talking to or whatever
it's been shown that like just

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psychologically, the processing
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problems allied or yes, is
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I agree.
So the self reflection piece.

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Yeah, absolutely agree with
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That can just be whatever the
modality, right?

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Whether it's Angel card lady or
you're on your knees at the end

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of your bed, send your re
prayers.

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Or, or honestly going to
therapy, right.

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Because a lot of what happens in
like talk therapy, I mean,

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that's not necessarily
scientifically validated either.

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Yeah.
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But the difference there is
they're not like claiming to

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have some psychic line to the
universe.

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They're like, you know what I
mean, whatever.

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But in a similar way, you're
talking through things and maybe

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discovering things that you
didn't know how to articulate

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before.
So it's not that I dismiss like

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that it has any value.
I think it it can have value.

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I I just, I don't believe in the

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supernatural.
That's fair.

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There's actually a really great
documentary.

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It's probably about 15 or more
years old at this point.

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OK, I think everything happened
like last.

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Week.
I think we all do right.

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We're like, Oh yeah, the 90s
were like five years ago.

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And then you're like, oh shit.
Yeah, it's like, you remember

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what your kid was when you did
it, and you're like, actually

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that would be like 15 years ago.
But there's a great documentary

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called Kumari, and it's about
this guy who his background is,

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I believe his grandparents
emigrated to the US from India,

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Hindu background.
He grew up sort of watching his

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grandmother perform different
religious rituals and felt very

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comforted because, again, ritual
is good for humans.

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Whatever.
So that looks like we like that.

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Yeah, we, we thrive on that.
And he got to a stage a lot of

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us get to at some point sort of
early adulthood, late teens,

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early 20s, and he just fell into
like diet and with his feet and.

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But kind of was grieving it,
which we know that part too,

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right?
Like he wanted to feel, but he

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knew he just couldn't feel.
So he actually went to college

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to study theology to see if that
would help restore his faith.

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But it kind of made it worse.
And so he was like, OK, I'm

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going to do this exploration of
why people need gurus or as you

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said, something external from
themselves to like believe in or

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guide them.
So he went back to India, went

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in some travels acknowledgement
of like the toxic Wellness

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industry of also appropriating,
as I say, after I'm like I

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taught yoga this morning, but
you know, but you have to

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acknowledge that element like
you're taking this license of.

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Year old practice and from a
different culture.

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Yeah.
And being like, come stretch

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with me, you know?
And so that's a whole other

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thing, though, you know, like
acknowledging that.

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And so he came back to the US
and was like, I'm just going to

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start a cult.
Wow.

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But with no like I'll intent.
So like no money involved, no

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abuse, exploitation of people,
all the usual facets.

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Of a goal, right?
And he just made it like, he's

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like, I put on my grandmother's
accent.

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I grew up my hair and beard.
And he's like, I practiced yoga

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and meditation every day.
And he noted that he felt like

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the effects almost immediately
positively of that practice.

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But he became a guru and his
teaching, this is a very long

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story to say the teaching is
what you said.

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He was teaching people that
everything they had was within

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them.
I like that.

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And they kept latching on to him
and he was like no, no, no, no.

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It's not about me.
It's.

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Everything you have is within
you.

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It's a fascinating documentary
though.

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That's really interesting.
To like watch the process and he

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visits different other gurus and
some of it is quite humorous,

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honestly.
And, you know, he obviously

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confesses at the end, but I
won't say anything in case you

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want to watch it.
But it's, it's fascinating

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because, yeah, it's like we
often seek these external

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validations, which there's no
shame in that because sometimes

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we can't believe that we have it
all within us.

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The part that I don't like about
it is these practices are

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sometimes like predatorily.
That's not a word or expensive.

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Yes, and that's the part that
feels gross to me.

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Yeah, I think they can be quite
predatory.

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I don't think they all
necessarily are, but not all of

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them.
I mean, I love, I love yoga, for

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instance.
I don't do it nearly enough,

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right.
I think there's a ton of value

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in meditation.
OK, that's actually been

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scientifically fairly well
validated.

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Yeah, sure.
The.

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Science is behind that.
There, I mean, it doesn't

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necessarily mean that it's
working in the way that a

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particular guru who says it's
working, but you know what I

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mean?
But you are doing something with

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your brain, right?
And it does provide some real

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benefits.
So I don't dismiss like all of

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it necessarily.
Here's another like fun example,

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just, you know, in the universe
of woo woo, OK, I love to sort

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of talk about this one.
So acupuncture, right?

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So this Chinese practice of
putting needles into your body,

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and there's a quote UN quote
theoretical framework that they

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talk about behind it, right?
That you're somehow doing

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something with energy channels
and Qi or like whatever.

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And you know, people swear by
this, right?

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However, I do not believe there
are energy channels or Qi

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running through your body.
This doesn't make any sense from

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a physiological point of view,
however, OK.

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There was an experiment kind of
done by scientists in which they

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kind of tested the efficacy of
acupuncture for for various like

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minor ailments, right?
OK.

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So I don't know exactly what
they were studying, but relief

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from pain, I think, OK.
And so they divided their test

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subjects into three groups, OK.
One of them received sham

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acupuncture, which I don't
really know how you do that, but

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maybe you just kind of touched
the needle to the skin or

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something without inserting it,
something like that.

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And then they had one group that
was given acupuncture by trained

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Chinese practitioners of
acupuncture.

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And then they did a third group,
and this is the interesting

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group where they had randos just
shoving needles in wherever.

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OK, So not in the places you're
supposed to shove them in,

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right?
They know nothing about the

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theoretical framework of Qi or
energy or any of the shit,

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Right.
And it turns out that the group

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that received acupuncture from
the Chinese practitioners had a

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measurable effect better and
outcome better than the sham.

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OK, so the fake acupuncture.
Yeah.

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However, the randos shoving
needles into the skin also

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showed a benefit, and the
benefit was equal to the trained

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Chinese practitioners.
OK, So what you can conclude

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from this is that shoving
needles into your skin is doing

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something OK.
You're probably having some sort

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of cortisol stress response in
your body.

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However, it also tells you the
theoretical framework behind it

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is bullshit.
Yes.

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OK, so it works.
Yeah, to some extent.

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But it doesn't work for the
reasons they're saying it works.

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You're not.
Lining your cheek.

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Right, not doing anything with
chakras or energy, or I don't

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think they talk about chakras,
but it's a similar concept,

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right?
It's like energy flow through

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the body.
So what that tells you is that's

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all garbage.
However, the practice of putting

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needles in your skin actually is
doing something, OK, It's

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probably releasing endorphins,
right?

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And it is helping you with with
pain.

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Now, that being said,
acupuncture is not going to cure

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your cancer, right?
So I think that's another part

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of the predatory thing that can
latch on to some of these

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practices where they are
overselling it, right?

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There could be like some benefit
in doing a lot of these things.

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However, if it's convincing
people to Askew medicine that

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might actually work like
chemotherapy and pursue some of

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these things like, you know,
Steve Jobs, for example, OK, he

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went down this woo woo nature
like path and by the time he

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finally turned to to West
Western quote UN quote medicine,

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so actual validated medicine, it
was too late and he died.

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Yeah, yeah.
And it's quite likely actually

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that if he had started that
earlier, he would have survived.

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And that's, I think that's where
like, I mean, not to call, I

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don't mean specifically like
acupuncture or yoga, like things

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rooted in tradition and research
and culture and faith and all of

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those things.
Like it's not unvalidated in

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that sense, but like in terms
of, you know, medical outcome.

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And it, it made me think of
there's a series called apple

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cider vinegar.
Have you ever seen?

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That no, I haven't.
I'm already intrigued.

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It's, it's really interesting.
It's a true story of this

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Australian woman who claims
emphasis on that.

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And again, I don't want to do
any spoiler alerts.

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Claims to have a cancer and
cured it with apple cider

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vinegar.
Oh.

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Boy.
But creates like this whole

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cookbook and lifestyle and you
know, talk and about how you can

455
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,600
cure your body and heal
yourself.

456
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,520
And as you say, some of those
things probably absolutely

457
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,280
health, health, health, health
the help help your health.

458
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:14,480
And I believe I have heard like
different studies about, you

459
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:19,120
know, control groups with people
will with potentially life

460
00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:22,680
threatening illnesses and the
the role of like your if you

461
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,360
have a positive white look or
something to live for or not can

462
00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:29,200
have effect on healing and your
body and you know.

463
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,160
It can, but it does have secure.
But I think we have to be

464
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,560
really, really careful with that
stuff because toxic positivity,

465
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,320
as you alluded to, is a real
thing.

466
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,520
And there is also this kind of
dark side that comes along with

467
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,400
that, which is victim blaming.
Yes.

468
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,200
OK.
So if you, you know, died of

469
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,440
your cancer and your positive
thinking didn't cure it, well,

470
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:50,640
that that's your fault.
Yeah.

471
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,320
You didn't think positively
enough.

472
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:55,480
And I think that positive
thinking in terms of like those

473
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,120
those really serious diseases,
it's not validated.

474
00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:00,400
It doesn't actually matter how
positive you think about your

475
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,320
cancer.
Yep.

476
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:02,960
You know, cancer is cancer,
right.

477
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,640
OK.
Now, could it help with

478
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,040
something like a severe mental
health issue?

479
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,840
Yeah, probably right.
I mean, that stuff is really

480
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,040
complicated.
Well, it's like even if you're

481
00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:17,760
having a baby or any kind of
peeing, right?

482
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,480
Like you could break a limb or
fall or just any kind of peeing,

483
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,440
like if you are freaking out,
it's worse, right?

484
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:31,040
So if you can like calm the the
pain doesn't go away, but your

485
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:37,080
ability to maybe manage it is
elevated or better.

486
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,480
And so I think along those
lines, things can be helpful.

487
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:45,480
But the the line about being
sold, it's a substitute for can

488
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,840
literally cost people their
lives sometimes and many

489
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,920
documented cases of that.
And like famous people

490
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,040
personally, you know, we maybe
know people as well.

491
00:26:56,360 --> 00:27:01,560
So, yeah, I think that that side
of the woo woo is toxic because,

492
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,040
you know, while these practices
can help for whatever reason,

493
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,840
like you said with the
acupuncture, you know, there's,

494
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,160
there's also people that have
studied and gone to school for a

495
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:18,240
very long time to, to, to treat
you, which is great that we have

496
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,240
cures and options and things
don't need to be a death

497
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,120
sentence anymore.
Yeah, some things still are.

498
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,440
Some things aren't.
You know, I keep mentioning

499
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,080
cancer, and that's a tricky one.
Yeah, there's a lot of

500
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,600
chemotherapies that work fairly
well, but they don't work for

501
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,840
all cancers.
And sometimes no matter what you

502
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,240
do, Yeah, You know, quote
Western or quote natural, yes.

503
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:39,640
You're gonna die.
Yes.

504
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:40,800
Or you're gonna get better.
Yeah.

505
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,440
I mean it's.
Just not your time.

506
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,840
Or it is.
Right and it might not have

507
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,320
anything to do with that, but
you know there's a reason like

508
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,000
we do these large clinical
studies, yeah, right.

509
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:56,120
And 10s of thousands of people,
right, because we're trying to

510
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:59,320
actually, you know, uncover some
objective reality and not this

511
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,160
subjective internal reality,
which to be clear, is important,

512
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,600
right?
And it depends on what kind of

513
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,880
disorder we're talking about.
But when we have this overstep

514
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,000
into, you know, again, things
like cancer, progressive

515
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,280
neurological diseases that are
going to progress regardless, it

516
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:20,360
is predatory to sell these sort
of things as a cure.

517
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,960
And it's also victim blaming
because when it doesn't work,

518
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,560
it's like, well, you didn't
believe enough or you didn't try

519
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:26,920
hard enough, right?
You didn't do all this.

520
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,240
You didn't do enough yoga.
I like, I don't know, you know,

521
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,080
And to me that's a very dark
side and it makes me very angry.

522
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:41,240
Yeah, that's fair because it
place on people's desperation,

523
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,440
Yes, and that's not.
OK.

524
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,160
For financial gain.
Yes, and that's, you know, a lot

525
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,000
of them usually are quite costly
yes.

526
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,040
And I think that that's a a
giveaway.

527
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,200
Yeah, it really is Here's the
thing.

528
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,160
We all we all need to make money
right.

529
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,840
Sure to live we do live in late
stage capitalism, yes.

530
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,880
It's the name of the game.
We, we like food and shelter and

531
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,880
so and you know, anybody that's
undertaken any kind of training

532
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,000
deserves.
To be paid.

533
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,160
I agree.
And yes.

534
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:16,240
And do you know, do some things
deserve $200.00 an hour

535
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,120
something Sure.
Something's no right, You know?

536
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,440
That's yeah, just maybe not.
Yeah.

537
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,640
And, you know, I think it is
meeting a need because I'm not

538
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,560
going to defend our healthcare
system in America as being

539
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,240
perfect, right?
There are a lot of flaws, a lot

540
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,120
of problems.
Yeah.

541
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,800
And people, I mean, it's too
expensive for one thing.

542
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,080
It's not accessible.
It's not accessible, right?

543
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,880
Insurance companies and big like
healthcare organizations make a

544
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,160
lot of money on people's pain as
well.

545
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,080
So that's real.
Yeah.

546
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,560
People often when they go to a
physician feel dismissed or

547
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,480
rushed or whatever, and that's
real as well because of the

548
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,800
financial incentive that these
big hospitals or medical groups

549
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,000
have.
Oftentimes, you know, the

550
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,960
physician would love to spend an
hour with you, but they can't.

551
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,760
They have 4 appointments that
hour and they're mandated by

552
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,240
their hospital or whatever to
move you in and out.

553
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,120
So someone that will listen to
you for an hour and like

554
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,680
prescribe you some herbs feels
better, right?

555
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,160
It might not be better, but it
feels better to you because

556
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,000
you're not a number, right?
You're not a 15 minute

557
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,120
appointment.
You didn't wait for an hour to

558
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,360
see a Doctor Who then rushed
through and, like, didn't really

559
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:24,240
listen to you.
Yeah.

560
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,760
So it makes sense that people
turn to these other things.

561
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,560
So maybe a combo is good.
Well, I mean, yes and no.

562
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:38,760
Again, like herbs and like
natural remedies, you have to be

563
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,960
really careful with those too.
A lot of those not only are not

564
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,280
good for you, but they're bad
for you.

565
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,760
Yeah, or could have counter
indications to like medicine

566
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,440
that you might be taking or?
Yeah, we live in Utah, which is

567
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,880
kind of the home of multi level
marketing and supplements.

568
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,520
Thank you to the late Orrin
Hatch for making sure the

569
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,320
supplement industry is largely
completely unregulated.

570
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:02,360
Wow.
Yeah.

571
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,720
And so if you're taking
something from a health food

572
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,440
store in a bottle in pill form,
that thing has not been

573
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,280
validated.
It might not even be what it

574
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,320
says it is.
OK.

575
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,640
It hasn't been rated for
efficacy or safety.

576
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,960
And so you're kind of playing
roulette with your health,

577
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,880
taking some of this shit.
Like at best it's harmless, at

578
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:28,040
worst it's not good for you.
Yeah, and it's yeah, it it's I,

579
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,560
I'm losing my words.
I'm not a fan of supplements.

580
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,600
Do you take them?
Like how do you feel about?

581
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,360
Them I don't take any.
Yeah, I don't take any either.

582
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,320
I've.
I also take don't take vitamins

583
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,520
by the way.
That has been pretty thoroughly

584
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,400
debunked that healthy adults
need a multivitamin.

585
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,560
You don't save your money.
Well, because it's really best

586
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,520
and I know this can be overly
idealistic because there's

587
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,520
things by access and
affordability and all those

588
00:31:55,520 --> 00:32:00,000
things, but it's, it's the best
case scenario to seek those from

589
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,920
nutrition, right?
Yeah, yeah.

590
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,720
And and those things are there
and probably a lot cheaper than

591
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,120
supplements, honestly.
Right.

592
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,560
And with multivitamins, again,
you're not necessarily getting

593
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,080
what you think you are.
Yeah.

594
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,800
OK.
So even like the big brands,

595
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,680
people have done these studies
where they take them off the

596
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,920
shelf and then like, analyze
them chemically.

597
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,760
They don't have what they say in
them.

598
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,320
They don't have the amounts they
say in them.

599
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,760
Yeah.
Also, a lot of these vitamin

600
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,000
pills are mega doses, which you
you don't really actually want

601
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,920
to be taking.
Like excess vitamin A is

602
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,080
dangerous.
OK.

603
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,840
So what does it do?
Well, there is.

604
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,000
It's correlated.
I don't want to say like

605
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,880
causation necessarily, but it's
correlated with increased rates

606
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,000
of certain cancers.
Wow.

607
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,600
Yeah.
My goodness, some people are

608
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,400
like, I'm taking a vitamin.
It's good.

609
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:46,760
Right.
It's healthy for me.

610
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,120
OK, Now there's two possible
exceptions. 1 is the vitamin D

611
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,240
story, but that one's
complicated, right?

612
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,080
You hear these things like, oh,
90% of us are depleted in

613
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,360
vitamin D It's actually a little
unclear from the literature how

614
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,160
much vitamin D we should really
be getting and how many people

615
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,880
are actually deficient.
It's probably not that many, but

616
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,560
again, the literature is pretty
like gnarly on that.

617
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,120
I've tried to look into it
before and it's a little bit of

618
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,720
a weird like story to untangle.
So I would say maybe, maybe not

619
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,400
on vitamin DI, personally, don't
take it.

620
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,680
And then the one thing though,
that is really well validated is

621
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,240
folic acid for women who are
gestating.

622
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,240
Oh yes, you need to be taking
that test.

623
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,400
Against spina bifida.
Right.

624
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:29,200
That's right.
Yeah.

625
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,040
So, neural tube closure
deficits.

626
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,400
So that's a good one.
Take your folic acid if you're

627
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,480
pregnant and three months before
if you're trying.

628
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:37,520
That's right.
Exactly.

629
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,240
We'll give you those, those
those guidelines there.

630
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,240
Vitamin DI was thinking about
that because that must be an

631
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:49,080
interesting one because not that
I obviously know a lot about

632
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,640
this, but I know you do like
speaking like evolutionary

633
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,680
evolutionarily speaking.
I just made that word so overly

634
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,480
complicated.
But if you think about regions

635
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:05,280
where people live and the
different doses they have become

636
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,880
accustomed maybe
intergenerationally to getting a

637
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:16,239
vitamin DI would assume maybe
bodies would adapt to a point in

638
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:17,920
terms of like sunlight exposure,
right?

639
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,760
Because that's, I mean,
obviously we can get it

640
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,719
different ways, but that's the
main source, right?

641
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,719
Yeah.
And so like you would expect at

642
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,560
some point, taking a measurement
for somebody who lives very far

643
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:33,920
north would be very different
than somebody who is living near

644
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,040
the equator or even like here in
Utah where we get so many blue

645
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:43,000
sky days per year and sunshine.
And that you would adapt

646
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,880
eventually.
Maybe, I mean, you do adopt to

647
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,320
death eventually.
That's true.

648
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:50,520
I think that with the vitamin D,
it's a little tricky because

649
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,440
we're not living in our sort of
evolutionary, like ancestral

650
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:55,639
conditions.
Yeah.

651
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:58,920
So I don't know, that one's just
a little bit unclear to me.

652
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,440
And of course, there's this
story that like maybe we have

653
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,360
different skin tones, right,
because of this vitamin D

654
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,160
exposure thing, right?
The lighter skin and northern

655
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,520
latitudes would have been
adaptive, right, Because you

656
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,680
have less melanin, so you get
more kind of light in there.

657
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,280
That if that's not totally clear
to me either, that could be

658
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,960
true.
It could also just be a just so

659
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,000
story, which is very common like
in in evolution, not really

660
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,640
sure, but that it's possible.
That's a valid hypothesis at

661
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,280
least, yeah.
I'm, I'm like purple skin tone

662
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:35,120
flipping to almost the far North
Point of Ireland, which is very

663
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,840
far north.
And Yep, we don't get a lot.

664
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,040
Of yeah, I've got that, that
Viking ancestry as well, right?

665
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,400
Like long winters up in Sweden.
Mm, hmm.

666
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,160
It's like son, Oh my God, I'm
gonna burn.

667
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,800
Yeah, that's it's a thing.
Well, we got to vitamin D from

668
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,120
the Angel night.
Oh my God.

669
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:58,680
Coming coming back to our We
Angel night, Yes, there was a

670
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,600
nice surprise.
There there was.

671
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,960
Tell us.
Marciano was the surprise.

672
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,480
Actually, there was quite a few
surprises To pivot again as we

673
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,640
just went to one topic, this
setting.

674
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,840
Can we discuss the setting for a
moment?

675
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,400
So we arrived and we checked in,
but then there was a line.

676
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,520
And you know how sometimes, like
there's just herd behavior in

677
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,480
humans, we join the line, but we
don't know why.

678
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:24,640
We're kind of.
Exactly.

679
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,440
We're like, we're not sure what
the line is, but clearly

680
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,440
everyone's in line so.
And so we should be in the line.

681
00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:32,760
And the woman who checked us in
had mentioned something, but we,

682
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,560
we didn't kind of quite catch
it.

683
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,600
So I went back over and was
like, what?

684
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,880
What's in this line?
And she said, oh, it's just some

685
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,080
like desserts and a drink.
And I said, oh, drink like, like

686
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,480
alcohol.
And it was like, like.

687
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,480
She was like, sure, shock and
horror.

688
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,880
She's like, no, it's a dirty
soda.

689
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,240
And I was like, Oh my God, have
I been transported to Utah kind

690
00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:01,600
tea, which for our listeners
outside Utah is a a densely

691
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,160
populated Mormon region of the
state.

692
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,720
Yes.
And I was like, oh, OK, that

693
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,560
thank you.
So we swiftly removed ourselves

694
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:16,720
from the line and we went and
got some popcorn and find our

695
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:22,680
seats and we we kept thinking we
saw well known people.

696
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,040
Yes.
And we clearly also missed the

697
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,440
memo that said, like, dress
angelically in white.

698
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,000
Everyone was in these white
flowy like sun dressed style

699
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,400
things, and Claire and I were
both wearing black, black tops.

700
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,720
The angels of doom.
Yeah, we were the fallen angels

701
00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:45,240
of the night, I guess.
We definitely.

702
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:48,640
Were and we were like and she
mentioned it like about they

703
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,080
said, oh, we're right and we're
like.

704
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,920
Oh that's right.
I feel like I had read that a

705
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,400
while ago, but in my like jet
lagged fugue state I had no idea

706
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,040
which way was up or down or what
we were doing so.

707
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,000
I was.
I was very proud of you for

708
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,240
coming for both the reason of I
know it's not remotely appealing

709
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,920
and you were also exhausted so.
I mean, it was appealing for a

710
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,880
couple of reasons.
Number one, just watching the

711
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,560
train wreck, right?
And like, it's something I'm not

712
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,080
familiar with.
So it's like, OK, this is

713
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:18,920
experience.
It's different.

714
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,640
It's a novelty, right?
Human brains love novelty,

715
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,280
right?
So I actually was excited for

716
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,040
the novelty.
And you know what?

717
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,960
I was kind of excited to see
Jessie too, right?

718
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,200
Because of course, we've seen
her on The Secret Lives of

719
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,200
Mormon Wives.
It was funny to see Marciano,

720
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:33,480
too.
If you don't watch the show,

721
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:38,960
Marciano is the person from
Vanderpump Villa that she kissed

722
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,120
a couple of times.
And then that was one of the

723
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,280
precipitating factors that blew
up her marriage.

724
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,240
OK.
Now, we found out from Call Me

725
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:49,600
Daddy that prior to this, Jordan
had been hiring escorts or

726
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,800
trying to anyway.
So she wasn't the first person

727
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,080
to, you know, behave
inappropriately in that

728
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,280
marriage.
And she wasn't paying for it.

729
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,920
Yeah.
On his card.

730
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:07,560
Yeah, yeah, that's that's a very
fairpoint and it helps me to

731
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,960
loathe that man even more.
Exactly.

732
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,160
Gross.
I know, right?

733
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,720
Just when you thought you
couldn't hate him more.

734
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,440
Yeah.
Yeah, he's disgusting.

735
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,280
But I I like Jessie.
I think she's so cute.

736
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,360
I think she's charming and
lovely.

737
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,520
I mean, I don't love that she
believes in this psychic because

738
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,440
I didn't like the psychic, but
like, I, I think she's great.

739
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,320
She is lovely and was so
personable.

740
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,000
Super cute, great conversation.
It was like a nice moment where

741
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,400
the Woo Woo lady went off stage
and Marciano went off stage and

742
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,520
she just kind of chatted to the
crowd and was like, does anybody

743
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,920
have questions?
And she was very open and you

744
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,000
asked her how she was going to
celebrate like her divorce, and

745
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,840
she enjoyed that question.
I can't remember her.

746
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,560
Oh, she said.
I don't know yet.

747
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,920
Like, what should I do?
And then audience members were

748
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,880
calling out various ideas, and
it was really cute.

749
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,720
Like, she seemed very genuine.
Like very.

750
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,280
Kind and like, just like a good,
fun, personable person.

751
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,080
Yeah, like really down to earth.
Yeah.

752
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,840
Not at all.
Sort of head in the clouds with

753
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,000
like, yeah.
Surprising fame, right, You

754
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:17,680
know?
Yes.

755
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,200
And astute business woman like
she, she was lovely.

756
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,200
Yeah, I really liked her more
after the evening.

757
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,160
Me too, definitely.
And then Marciano came out.

758
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,760
We got excited because we'd seen
on her Instagram Story we're

759
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,280
like, Oh my God, we think
Marciano's.

760
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,280
There.
And he came out and I think my

761
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,800
first question to you was, would
you ever date a man who wore

762
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,400
glitter shoes?
I mean, God, that his outfit,

763
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,440
you're like, wow, could you have
dressed any douchier?

764
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,280
I mean, the glitter sneakers,
like the open shirt with the

765
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,560
gold chain, right?
The extremely aggressive spray

766
00:40:54,560 --> 00:41:00,040
tan or whatever.
And I will say I have not

767
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,280
watched all of Vanderpump Villa.
I've kind of tried and I I just,

768
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,920
I couldn't get totally into it.
It's slow.

769
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,680
It's kind of slow.
Yeah, I've tried to.

770
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,200
And I was like, I am watching
the paint dry on the wall over

771
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,720
here and yeah.
Yeah, I kind of felt that way

772
00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:16,600
about Vanderpump Rules, too.
I watched the first season and

773
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,440
I, I was trying so hard to like,
get into it because I know

774
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,640
everybody loves it.
And there's this arc, right,

775
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,960
that builds.
And I think the later seasons

776
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,440
are what people really like the
most.

777
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:29,320
I might try to come back to it,
but I just, I couldn't quite get

778
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:30,880
into it.
So I don't know the whole

779
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,800
Marciano lore or back story or
whatever.

780
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:37,280
I do know that he has this
ex-girlfriend, Hannah, that's on

781
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,120
the show and like, there's, you
know, some threads about that,

782
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,080
but I don't, I don't really know
much about it.

783
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,520
Yeah, I don't either.
And I love what's Lisa?

784
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,880
Is it Lisa Vanderpump?
Is that her name?

785
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,960
Like I love her.
Queen.

786
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,240
Queen.
Absolutely, Goddess.

787
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:58,000
And actually my oldest daughter
and I went to her restaurant in

788
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,760
West Hollywood one time.
Oh.

789
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,640
Fun.
The one that's on the show.

790
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,720
Yes, I think it's she has a.
Few, yes, but yeah, there's the

791
00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:09,400
one that was like on the show.
It's so beautiful.

792
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,840
It had like, so I think that one
recently closed, but it had like

793
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,520
this lovely central courtyard
and like you're in West

794
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,160
Hollywood and it's you feel like
you're just away from

795
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,400
everything.
It had trees like grown up

796
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,000
nearly the middle of the tables,
like aesthetically like it's

797
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,640
beautiful and all of the wait
staff look like Marciano.

798
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,280
Oh my God, that's hilarious.
Yes, yeah.

799
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,040
I mean, she does hire only,
like, very beautiful people, I

800
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,280
think, that are trying to, like,
break into acting or modeling or

801
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,640
like, whatever.
So I mean the aesthetic is on

802
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,720
point.
Definitely, and L as the place

803
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:47,360
to do that, right.
For sure I walked by her

804
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:51,520
satellite place in Vegas last
time I was there and that was a

805
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,040
whole shit show of a trip for a
different reason.

806
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:58,160
But I walked by her beautiful
little restaurant and I kind of

807
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,200
wanted to go in and get a drink,
but there was a line and I'm

808
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,920
like, I don't want it that bad.
Not bad enough to wait for it.

809
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,160
So yeah, exactly.
I have to say, the food and

810
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,840
drinks at that restaurant were
really, really good.

811
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,040
That makes me happy.
Like really good.

812
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,960
And it wasn't.
It wasn't overly expensive.

813
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:18,320
Either Oh wow, which amazing
shout out Lisa Vanderpump. 100%

814
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,200
because you, I mean, West
Hollywood, there's a great

815
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,200
coffee shop there.
I can't remember the name, but I

816
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,480
really like it.
And you go for like 2 coffees

817
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,280
and a PST there.
It's like $70.00, right?

818
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,280
It has a beautiful courtyard
also.

819
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,440
But like, you know, you're like
oh wow, $70.00.

820
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,000
But I remember my daughter and I
like, we were like, wow, that's

821
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,120
it.
Like it was, it was not at all

822
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,120
expensive.
And so shout out to to well

823
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,320
known people who don't like RIP
the R side of it.

824
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,240
Yeah, and who could charge?
Charge The Who?

825
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,000
Charge a fortune and do not
charge a fortune.

826
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,560
So.
Yeah, that's classy.

827
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,840
Thanks, Lisa Vanderpump.
I mean, she doesn't need the

828
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,320
money, but like.
Yeah, but super cool.

829
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,320
Very cool.
And.

830
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,960
Yeah, so he he came out.
Here's the thing.

831
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:09,880
I would say like I, I personally
like, I'm sure Marciano's

832
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,400
devastated.
He, it's not, he's not my type.

833
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,200
I don't think he'd be your type.
Either.

834
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,280
I know Marciano like you may
never recover.

835
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,160
Pry yourself to sleep tonight,
but.

836
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,760
But like, I can appreciate that
he is quite a gorgeous human.

837
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,520
Yeah, he's a good looking
person, yes.

838
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,320
Yeah, he's not my type either,
but yeah, he's good looking, but

839
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,200
objectively like.
He just, and he's like a wee bit

840
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,720
of charisma and he doesn't
actually seem super douchey.

841
00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:41,080
He seems like kind of a tender.
Hearted I agree soul yeah, I

842
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,760
mean he he looked kind of
douchey, but he didn't like

843
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,440
present his kind of douchey
again.

844
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,480
I don't know a lot about him.
I don't know what he's like on

845
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,040
the show, but like I was like,
all right, like he seems fine.

846
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:55,080
Yeah, I don't love him for like
Jesse is a life partner, but as

847
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:59,080
like a fun like post divorce
little relationship.

848
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:00,280
Great.
Get it, Jesse.

849
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:06,360
Like 100% because I did watch he
did a get ready with me real

850
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,480
that I stumbled upon on
accidents.

851
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,160
Bring a tan on or something.
Like it?

852
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,320
You know, I have a little
sidebar on the Get Ready with me

853
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,880
videos.
One thing I notice is, you know,

854
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,680
the girlies they put on their
cute hair band and it's all

855
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,200
about like lotions and potions
and and then I notice when men

856
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,080
do it.
Like there was this one man, I

857
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,840
don't know his name.
It was kind of his, his brand

858
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,840
where he would walk in, swagger
up to the mirror shirtless and

859
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,160
splash water on his skies, run
his hand through his hair, which

860
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:43,680
I don't know why gives me the
ick.

861
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,520
It just it looks dirty and
greasy.

862
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,400
Anyway, he you're like girl,
like you had a man with shitty

863
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,280
pants for years.
You cannot say anything.

864
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,920
I wasn't even thinking that,
but.

865
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,920
But that's where my head goes,
really, because it's it's funny

866
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,240
what we will tolerate what gives
us the ick.

867
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,360
But then this man, and the
reason I mention it is did it in

868
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,680
this video too, like brush his
teeth.

869
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,880
They brush their teeth and then
like I know what they're doing.

870
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,760
They like spit it out but it
like like run sign their feet.

871
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,200
And you're just like, I don't
like that if.

872
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:19,000
A woman did that.
Like, could you imagine that?

873
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,600
The outcry, It's sloppy.
Yeah.

874
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,400
They'd be like, she's
disgusting.

875
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,240
And they're just standing there,
like dribbling, dying their

876
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:28,600
face, like, stay wiping it with
the back.

877
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,600
And you're just like, oh, what?
What a dual standard.

878
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,040
We have, yeah.
That is true.

879
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,360
And and they're like putting
their deodorant on again.

880
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,040
Like, I feel like if more women
were showing the actual

881
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,800
practical side of getting ready,
people would be like, oh, but

882
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,560
like, there's a man with his
like, Old Spice stick.

883
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,560
And it's true.
You have a body that does body

884
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,440
things.
You're you sweat.

885
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,560
That's disgusting.
Like, yeah.

886
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:55,240
So.
So yeah.

887
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,320
Like he, he is an attractive
man, clearly.

888
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,440
Yeah, I agree.
One of the questions to Jesse

889
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,720
was, are you dating?
Yes.

890
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:08,560
What was her response?
Marciano We're dating casually

891
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,960
but also dating other people.
And then the part.

892
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,240
That made me laugh.
And she said.

893
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,760
And I'm also taking time alone.
Yeah, like, no, you're not.

894
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,680
It's like, but wait.
If you're dating multiple.

895
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,960
People, there is no time alone,
right?

896
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,720
It's it's kind of like one or
the other.

897
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,440
Yeah.
And they did not look like they

898
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:27,880
were casually dating.
No.

899
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,400
They looked like they were an
item, like in a relationship in

900
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,040
in a like a body language.
Kind of way, yeah, like at 1.

901
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:40,120
Point at the end when the Angel
reader was doing her stupid

902
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:44,080
readings and they were standing
off to the side and he was just

903
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,960
like, wrapped all around her and
like she was leaning back into

904
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,200
him like head on his shoulder,
like they looked like a couple.

905
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,840
Yeah, we both noticed that
'cause.

906
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,080
We were slowly.
Backing.

907
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,080
Towards the back of the theater
that we moved our.

908
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,360
Seats from the front to the
back.

909
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,640
We moved our seats in case.
We wanted to leave.

910
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,080
Yeah.
I already knew I wanted to

911
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,840
leave.
Yeah, when Jesse was done

912
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,360
because this woman was really
rubbing me the wrong way.

913
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,400
Yeah, we're despite my efforts
to.

914
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,920
Make you volunteer to go on
stage for reading.

915
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,000
I think I was.
It's not that I would be

916
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,600
embarrassed to do so.
And, you know, you had this

917
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,960
whole story that you wanted me
to tell, which was kind of

918
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,080
hilarious.
And I think had I had a little

919
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,600
more sleep, I would have been
able to, like, go along with

920
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,080
that a little bit more.
But I was like, very tired and

921
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,840
kind of done with her at that
point.

922
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:30,640
You're like, I can't.
Yeah, I.

923
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,040
I can't go up there and yeah,
pretend.

924
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:37,120
Also worth mentioning that every
time they said can we have a

925
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,320
volunteer, the entire theater
put their hand up.

926
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,160
Yes, everyone wanted this.
Angel reading from her.

927
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,200
So you weren't you weren't
getting picked.

928
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,000
We were at the back, yeah.
We were at the back, yeah.

929
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,960
But yeah, we looked over and it
was.

930
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:53,000
Actually a really cute, sort of
like tender thing because she,

931
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,400
yeah, just had her head like in,
in the crook of his neck, kind

932
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:58,760
of nestled up.
Yeah.

933
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,800
And his like chin was.
Resting on her head and it was

934
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,840
just you're like, OK, yeah,
they're.

935
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,600
They're not casually.
Yeah.

936
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,880
They like, that's a cute moment.
Totally.

937
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,560
And I'm just in the corner.
Like, it wasn't performative.

938
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,360
They didn't think anybody was
looking.

939
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,360
We were just being stalkers.
That was the well they were in

940
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,200
public.
So yeah, that's true.

941
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:24,080
So we're looking over at them.
But it was, yeah, it was, it was

942
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,720
very cute.
I think we talked about this on

943
00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:30,120
the way out.
We did leave prematurely, yes.

944
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,320
And I grabbed.
A warm and dessert.

945
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,200
On the way out, you did.
It was good.

946
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,240
It looks good.
Yeah, I I bit into this cookie.

947
00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:40,120
And and there was gooey stuff in
the center.

948
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,880
Yeah, I didn't expect that.
It was a nice sweet surprise.

949
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:50,320
But we we talked about like sort
of that post divorce whiplash

950
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:51,680
period.
Yeah.

951
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:57,920
I mean, you alluded to that
earlier and, you know, it's

952
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,880
maybe a difficult thing to
understand if you haven't been

953
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,760
divorced, but like, tell us more
about that period.

954
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,360
Yeah, it's it's weird.
It's hard to.

955
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,360
Describe I feel like you're kind
of in this weird haze and your

956
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,160
emotions are swinging every
which way.

957
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,520
Yeah, yeah.
There's some real high highs.

958
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,680
There's some real low lows.
You know, there's this kind of

959
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:24,120
feeling of like freedom and I
don't need to like spend, you

960
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,480
know, all my energy trying to
make someone happy who is never

961
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,680
going to be happy, right?
So you have this like kind of

962
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,760
release, but then at the same
time you have this loneliness,

963
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,600
right?
And you miss them and you kind

964
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,480
of miss what you have given up.
You're second guessing yourself

965
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,480
non-stop every other minute.
It's really tough.

966
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,160
It's hard to kind of know who
you are anymore and what to do

967
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:51,360
with yourself, how to feel.
Yeah, it's really disorienting.

968
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,480
I think that word just.
Captured everything like the

969
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,240
disorienting aspect because it
is such.

970
00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:01,640
A mix.
Of emotions because, yeah, on

971
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,640
the one hand, particularly if
you've had a, a person that

972
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,600
you've had a lot of like walking
on egg shells with or, you know,

973
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,920
some aspect like that, there's,
there is relief, yeah, you feel

974
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,480
it.
Like in your bones.

975
00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:17,200
But at the same.
Time you.

976
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,800
Know whether you're like quote,
UN quote trad wife or not, you

977
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:27,600
were still a wife like a spice
and it is a whole other social

978
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,880
role, which I think is.
Something that's overlooked.

979
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:36,200
Sometimes, like, you know, you
can go to gatherings and be, I

980
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,920
went to one the other week and I
was like, oh, look, I'm the only

981
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,840
uncoupled person here.
And like, maybe a few years ago

982
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,600
that probably would have made me
really upset.

983
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,040
At this point, I'm like, cool,
you know it, It didn't bother me

984
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,280
to the same extent.
But there's a new social role.

985
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,880
There's getting used to coming
into an empty house.

986
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,040
They're just getting used to if
you have children, they're them

987
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,360
not being there all the time.
I mean, there's so many things

988
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,840
and it, it really does feel like
whiplashing away.

989
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,480
It does because you're like, you
don't know what to expect.

990
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,760
There's grief, panic.
I felt a lot of panic.

991
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,520
It would just like hit me and
you're, it was sort of

992
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:16,480
nondescript panic.
Like, you know, it maybe wasn't

993
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,600
about finances or loneliness or
it was just kind of like

994
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,680
destabilizing panic.
Yes, we're all the anchors.

995
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:29,200
And, you know, it's
understandable in that period

996
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,160
that you could reach for the woo
woo.

997
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,520
Yeah, absolutely.
And particularly with Jesse,

998
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,120
like she's been one of the
secret lives that's the most

999
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:42,040
vocal about stepping away from
the Mormon church.

1000
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,480
Yeah.
So it's kind of all that that's

1001
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,840
right rolled into it.
For her too, I.

1002
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,400
Mean, that's almost like a
divorce, too.

1003
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:52,680
Yeah, like an A grief a.
Separation, A morning of what

1004
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,760
you thought your life would be.
She did mention something I

1005
00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:00,160
thought was interesting too,
that so Jordan was her second

1006
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:05,120
marriage and that she had gotten
married three months after

1007
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:06,800
getting divorced.
Yeah.

1008
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,640
Which exploded my brain.
Yeah, you're like, oh, honey.

1009
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,160
Yeah, I'm not doing, not in a
judgement way.

1010
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,120
And.
It right, but I also thought

1011
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:19,000
this is an assumption.
She has never spoken to this.

1012
00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:24,160
You and I know the Mormon
culture and faith and as we saw

1013
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,800
poor Brittany Bateman as a grown
ass woman having a breakdown for

1014
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,200
feeling guilty about having sex
outside of marriage, a lot of

1015
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:35,920
Mormons will get married very
swiftly because they don't have

1016
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:41,640
sex outside marriage.
And so the three month thing is

1017
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:47,080
on the one hand, understandable
in terms of understanding the

1018
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:51,880
community, true.
And on the other hand, what?

1019
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,360
Yeah, what are you doing?
But again, I'm I'm not judging

1020
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,920
either because there's not only
the Mormon thing in the

1021
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,480
religious trauma that I'm sure
she went to through, but I feel

1022
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,440
like she did speak about this a
little bit on her interview with

1023
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:10,600
Call Me Daddy.
This, this need, like desperate

1024
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,800
need to be loved and to be
important to someone.

1025
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,600
And, and I totally can relate to
that, especially coming out of a

1026
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:21,560
marriage where you didn't feel
loved or valued or appreciated

1027
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,360
or seen or, you know, even in my
case, like you were real at the

1028
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,560
end.
Like I, I feel like a ghost

1029
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,880
walking around like as if I just
didn't matter in any way.

1030
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,600
And then someone pays attention
to you and, you know, like

1031
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,400
Jordan clearly did.
And I think it would be really

1032
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,120
easy to latch on to that.
Now, I did not get remarried or

1033
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:42,480
latch on to anyone within three
months.

1034
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,840
But like, you know, I can
totally understand that.

1035
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,680
Yeah.
Yeah, that well.

1036
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:54,840
You and I have both shared
little anecdotes of how somebody

1037
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,400
like a man performed the bare
minimum.

1038
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,560
And we were both like, literally
crying, yes, and being like Oh

1039
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,320
my God, Oh my God, like.
Someone put a shelf up or a

1040
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,840
table?
Together, more like, Oh yes,

1041
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,760
what is this beauty?
Yes, exactly.

1042
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:16,400
So yeah, when you come out.
Feeling like that, that ghost,

1043
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:17,600
that shadow.
Yeah.

1044
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:22,440
And the confusion, like, wait a
minute, like these other parts

1045
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,480
of my life, I, I feel confident,
successful.

1046
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:30,600
And yet this relationship part,
I feel like shredded, yes, like

1047
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,400
completely destroyed.
Yes, yeah.

1048
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:40,840
And so I have.
To say personally I had a strong

1049
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:45,520
desire to be dating a coupled
yes post divorce.

1050
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,320
Quite quickly.
And it's probably a judgement I

1051
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,720
would have made before divorce,
like it's too soon.

1052
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,000
And it's a very real need as
well.

1053
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,240
And.
It can lead to poor decision.

1054
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:01,840
Making poor decision making AKA.
Jordan yes.

1055
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,560
And you know at.
This point, I I don't have that

1056
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,280
same urge.
In fact, I almost have the

1057
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:09,200
opposite.
Yeah, right.

1058
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,760
Like, leave me alone, Yeah.
I I was sitting before we.

1059
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:17,000
Did this this morning doing one
of my absolute all time favorite

1060
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,080
things, which is just having a
lovely coffee and a coffee shop.

1061
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,880
I just love to do that.
And I was just like, yeah, alone

1062
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,360
because I wasn't awake yet.
I was still struggling out of

1063
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,960
bed, but like, I love doing
that.

1064
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,320
With you, I love doing that by
myself and I I even sometimes

1065
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,880
look at couples and I'm like,
EW, you know, Oh my God, you

1066
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,400
have to plan.
Your Saturday.

1067
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,600
Around them like I can do
whatever I want, right?

1068
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,120
You know, so it.
For anybody in that face right

1069
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,840
now, I it will level out.
You will maybe even swing to the

1070
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,720
opposite space.
But acknowledging that need is

1071
00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:55,920
very real.
Like like post divorce and you

1072
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,360
know, leaning, leaning into
whatever gets you through

1073
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:04,040
because I have to say that I
definitely utilized Betty's

1074
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:10,320
services at Dancing Koreans.
So for no Salt Lake locals.

1075
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:15,000
Dancing Cranes is like the
epitome of the woo woo store.

1076
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,800
Yeah, I mean, you can get your
crystals.

1077
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:22,000
That's right.
Wind chimes, like meditation

1078
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,680
pillows.
I mean, you name it.

1079
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,400
Yes.
Woo woo centric merch.

1080
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,880
Yeah, for the masses.
And they also do.

1081
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,960
Yoga and like readings.
And I I was a frequent visitor.

1082
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:41,000
That's fine if they did.
Miles I I would be like the top

1083
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,680
tier.
Your punch card would be full.

1084
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:47,280
Oh yes, and you know, at the
time.

1085
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:53,440
I think a lot of it, especially
post Mormon, is leaning in to

1086
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:57,320
something outside of yourself as
you nurture the self trust.

1087
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,880
Yeah, that totally makes sense.
And and. 0 judgement for that

1088
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,680
and no judgement to Jesse for
sort of latching onto this

1089
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,280
psychic person.
Yeah, all my judgement to the

1090
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:11,400
actual psychic person, but none,
none to Jesse for like just

1091
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,000
wanting to hold on to something.
By the way, I kind of had the

1092
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,440
sense, and I don't know, it was
just a body language thing that

1093
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,720
Marciano was not all in on the
psychic.

1094
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,440
Yeah.
He, he was being very polite,

1095
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,520
yes, But I did not get the sense
that he was a full believer.

1096
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:33,040
Yeah, he he didn't have like.
You know that like Angel lady

1097
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:34,760
gasp.
Well, we call it.

1098
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,240
Oh my God, how did you know?
I thought she said something

1099
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:43,080
will happen in September or
maybe December or?

1100
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,880
March or potentially October,
November.

1101
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,920
She named more than half the
year as a potential time where

1102
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,840
something might happen.
Yeah, one of my favorite parts

1103
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,360
of the.
Evening was looking at you in

1104
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:58,720
that moment on your face and you
said she just listed like half

1105
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,880
the year.
Like, of course something is

1106
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,480
going to happen in eight months
of eight years.

1107
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,640
Yeah, something will happen that
is right.

1108
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,960
Like we could take a a wild
guess and then.

1109
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,880
You know, we started coming up
with our own scenarios like

1110
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:18,720
Melissa between January and
September, something will happen

1111
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:21,120
and she kept doing this.
Annoying.

1112
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:25,920
Thing too where she's like oh oh
oh something yeah I can't tell

1113
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,280
you what it is though I know
what it is but I can't tell you

1114
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,000
you're like uh huh sure you
can't because you're making it

1115
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:36,400
the fuck up yeah that part was
like.

1116
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,560
We're Yeah, she's having some
conversation about you, but

1117
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,600
you're not.
You can't be Privy to it.

1118
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,960
Yeah, it was very, very.
Obnoxious.

1119
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,720
And you're like, this is very
transparent as well, right?

1120
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,800
Like, oh, I know what it is, but
I can't tell you.

1121
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,120
Yeah, you just have to find out.
It's like, well, then what the

1122
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,080
fuck are we doing here?
Yeah, Why are you bringing it

1123
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:55,120
up?
Yeah, exactly.

1124
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:56,440
Why are you even?
Bringing it up if you're.

1125
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,160
Not going to.
Yeah, yes.

1126
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:02,840
And also, I was quite irritated
on Marciano's behalf about how

1127
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,120
she kept saying she was talking
to his dead father.

1128
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,280
You're like stop it.
You know, you and I both.

1129
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:12,760
Got the ick when she talked
about Macy.

1130
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,200
Macy.
I was actually quite.

1131
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,920
Angry on Macy's behalf?
Yes, because she said.

1132
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:22,800
That.
She was talking to Macy's ex who

1133
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,640
died quite tragically yes, and
also Macy's not a believer in

1134
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,880
this stuff.
And that seemed to me at best in

1135
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,320
extremely poor taste like that
was actually terrible.

1136
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:37,080
Well, because she.
Overly emphasized.

1137
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,040
It was on.
His death day.

1138
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,480
Was it the death day?
She called it the day that he

1139
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:42,760
died and.
That.

1140
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:47,480
Also felt a little flippant to
me because we all have a

1141
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,840
different approach to death.
We all have a different approach

1142
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:54,240
to grieving.
And for some people, even that

1143
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,360
terminology can be really
jarring.

1144
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,520
Yeah, You know, because, again,
everybody handles it

1145
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,920
differently.
She's clearly very comfortable

1146
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,920
in that realm, right?
Like ghosties, spirits, death,

1147
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,920
you know, right.
But not everybody is.

1148
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,880
And it can really be anxiety
inducing, I think.

1149
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:13,760
Yeah.
And I think we saw on the show

1150
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,240
on an.
Earlier season how affected Macy

1151
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,880
still was by this person's death
like how much it was still

1152
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:24,160
unresolved for her and so for
this woman to be like Oh yeah,

1153
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,640
I'm talking to your like dead ex
on you know the father of your

1154
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:32,360
child on his death day to do to
do yeah, I was I was quite angry

1155
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:36,880
yeah and that's I mean because.
That is the scale of something

1156
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,120
that never goes away.
You may learn to live with it,

1157
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:41,880
right?
Like she's married again, has a

1158
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,560
child with Jacob, but she's a
child with this person.

1159
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:51,600
It was also so traumatizingly
tragic and she was so young,

1160
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,200
which always heightens it,
right?

1161
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:58,520
When it's like a younger person,
it's like, it's like making me

1162
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:03,400
teary even to recount all the
elements that were like

1163
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,720
difficult for her.
And I don't think it's anyone

1164
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,680
else's place to be flippant with
that.

1165
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,080
If it's asked for great.
Sure.

1166
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,200
If you're like, Oh my God, it is
their anniversary, please give

1167
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,440
me something comforting.
And there's also like this.

1168
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:22,800
You could actually say something
that could be really bad.

1169
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:24,440
Yeah.
Traumatizing even.

1170
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,840
That would be like Oh my.
God, yeah, I said that thing

1171
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,080
and.
That answer aligns and he's

1172
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,240
still mad.
Or you, you know what I mean.

1173
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,520
You could make up all kinds in
your grief, like stories about

1174
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,040
that.
Yes, for sure.

1175
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,120
And it sounds like not.
Only did she, you know, say all

1176
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,440
this to Macy, but that she was
quite pushy about it.

1177
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:42,720
Yeah.
Yeah.

1178
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,480
Disgusting.
And and the lights I guess.

1179
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:46,680
Went off or.
Something.

1180
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:48,880
Yeah, it was something like
that.

1181
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,920
It was just like.
That's him and you're like or.

1182
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,160
Vomit could have been a.
Power surge, which happens all

1183
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:56,160
the time.
Yes.

1184
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,240
Like your lights can flicker.
Oh my God.

1185
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,160
My last house the power used to
go out all the.

1186
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,280
Time temporarily, like it was
just a thing.

1187
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:02,840
Yeah.
And it.

1188
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,280
It wasn't ghosts.
I'm pretty sure it was the fact

1189
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,400
that, like when they wired our
neighborhood, they didn't quite

1190
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,480
do it properly.
That that's fair.

1191
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,800
You know, once they took down
all the utility poles and

1192
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:13,720
rewired everything, we didn't
have that problem anymore.

1193
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:17,600
So I don't think the ghosts were
responsible, were at peace,

1194
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,520
Melissa.
They didn't like the poles that

1195
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:24,120
obscured the view.
God, yeah, I lived.

1196
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,640
In a house once where?
If you plug something and then

1197
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,520
the kitchen, the lights upstairs
would flicker and I just think

1198
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,280
there was some dodgy.
Wiring somewhere?

1199
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:34,360
Exactly.
I don't think it was.

1200
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:35,760
It was a ghost, yeah.
I had that.

1201
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,080
As well my first house that.
We owned in Salt Lake had three

1202
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,640
different wiring systems of
different vintages like spliced

1203
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,800
together and this just horrible.
I had an electrician over once

1204
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,960
and he kept like flipping
switches and then going to other

1205
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:53,560
rooms and being like huh, you're
like, that's not what I wanted

1206
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:54,960
to hear.
Not a good sign when it.

1207
01:03:54,960 --> 01:04:01,240
Treats person is like OK.
Yeah, that's not a good sign,

1208
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,200
no.
And and also no shade to anybody

1209
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:06,960
that finds comfort in that,
right?

1210
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,200
Like there can be some some
comforting experiences that

1211
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,600
happen for people sure, but all
the shade on this person who.

1212
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,800
Is telling someone that doesn't
believe in it that she's talking

1213
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:18,960
to this, her dead ex who died
tragically?

1214
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,560
Yeah, horrible.
I think the point of those

1215
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:24,480
experiences.
Are they are personal?

1216
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,320
Yes.
And you observe them yourself

1217
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,920
through your lens of what could
be meaningful with your

1218
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,840
relationship with the person
that's passed on.

1219
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,760
That's right.
You know, And yeah, that that

1220
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,080
part really upset me too.
I was just like, it was, it was

1221
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:41,120
the flippancy with the delivery,
I think.

1222
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,400
Yeah, she was quite flippant
about a lot of things.

1223
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:45,240
A lot of people's dead
relatives.

1224
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,040
It was quite odd.
Yeah, there there was one in

1225
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:52,280
particular about.
BB again, like tread fucking

1226
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,920
softly there.
Like, again, not everybody has

1227
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:57,160
that.
Level of comfort.

1228
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,440
Particularly if it's personal.
Yeah, that was bad, Yeah.

1229
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:02,520
It's I don't like that.
She also wasn't a very.

1230
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,200
Good reader like when she did.
The, the readings for the

1231
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,680
audience, I don't know if you've
seen like on TV or whatever, but

1232
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:12,000
there are people who are cold
readers that are very good at

1233
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,160
it, right?
Because they are very attuned to

1234
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:17,440
people's facial expressions and
body language and like little

1235
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,480
giveaways.
And they're actually really,

1236
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,040
really good at like sort of
because they kind of talk

1237
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:23,840
through it.
And then when they hit right,

1238
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,040
they go further down, down that
road, right?

1239
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:29,400
And so there are people very,
very talented at cold reading,

1240
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:30,520
right?
Again, I don't think it's

1241
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,680
psychic, but like they're very
like good at reading people's

1242
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:38,360
body language yeah, she was not
good at it at all yes and and

1243
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:42,600
the method because.
Like I'm thinking about, I wish

1244
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,760
I was good at American accents,
you know, Teresa, is it the Long

1245
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:50,080
Island medium?
Oh yeah, I think so.

1246
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:51,880
She's got the hair, right,
Right, right.

1247
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,360
I mean, honestly, I kind of love
that.

1248
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,360
Show and I guess she's coming to
Utah.

1249
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,600
Is she Melissa?
You're going to get a text from

1250
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:02,320
her.
OK, let's go to Teresa.

1251
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:04,920
Oh God, but it.
That would like.

1252
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:06,560
Be.
Entertaining, yes.

1253
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,920
She's funny, yeah.
And the way she does it, like

1254
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,240
she'll just walk up to people in
a store and be like, sorry,

1255
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:17,160
like, I, I have a message or.
And I think you know what you're

1256
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,360
referring to with the cold
reading thing.

1257
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:23,040
Yeah.
And I to me, that feels more

1258
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,160
authentic, even if it's no less
real.

1259
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:29,040
But like the idea of
volunteering and then doing it

1260
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:34,720
seemed odd instead of looking I
and leaning into the sense of

1261
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,800
whatever that is, whether it's
just being good at reading body

1262
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:43,440
language or you are having
contact with the under beasts of

1263
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:47,400
the underworld, whatever, you
know what, wherever it comes

1264
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,720
from.
But yeah, it was it was an

1265
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,800
interesting night.
I mean, overall, what would you

1266
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:58,720
give it out of 10?
Solid 3.

1267
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:05,480
I think it would be fair to say
our favorite part was Jesse.

1268
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:06,480
Definitely.
Yeah.

1269
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:07,840
No, it was fun.
I'm glad we.

1270
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:09,400
Went I'm glad you took me to
this.

1271
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:13,480
It was a different experience.
Yeah, different is always good.

1272
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,200
We got to hang out.
Yeah, that was fun in a part of.

1273
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,000
Town.
We don't usually hang out.

1274
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,120
No, we don't.
And I had been missing.

1275
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:23,600
You so much after my trip, so it
was just lovely to spend time

1276
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,600
with you as well.
Yes, it was just nice to to hang

1277
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,360
out.
And have a bit of a laugh and

1278
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:33,680
shout out to the extra tall man.
Oh that's right, the extra tall

1279
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:34,720
man.
We love extra.

1280
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,560
Tall man, what a sweetheart.
Yes.

1281
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,720
Tell us what he did, OK.
Yeah, so there was.

1282
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,760
Some people sitting in front of
us, like kind of small people,

1283
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:44,000
small women.
Very small.

1284
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,200
Yeah.
So we could see over their

1285
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:45,840
heads.
Right.

1286
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,680
So there's kind of theater
seating, but it's very gentle

1287
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,320
theater seating.
So someone slope.

1288
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:50,920
Yeah.
Tall.

1289
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:52,880
Sitting in front of you would be
like, an issue.

1290
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:56,560
Yeah.
And so this very large man, 65,

1291
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:58,000
I'm sure.
Yes.

1292
01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:58,840
Yeah.
With a hat on.

1293
01:07:59,000 --> 01:07:59,640
On.
Girthy.

1294
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:00,560
Yeah.
Girthy.

1295
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:05,720
Like large man, yes, into the
aisle and there's an empty seat

1296
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,240
like in front of us and he's
about to sit there.

1297
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:09,960
And I was like, ah, shit.
I just kind of said it very

1298
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:11,960
quietly.
He might have heard me or he

1299
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,120
might have just like sort of
turned around and read the room

1300
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,080
because there was an empty seat
next to both of us.

1301
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:17,600
Yes.
And he had everyone actually

1302
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,120
switch around.
So he was sitting in front of

1303
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,399
the empty seat so that everyone
could see.

1304
01:08:21,399 --> 01:08:24,640
I was like, ah, very sweet.
What a sweetheart.

1305
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:30,160
And like you say.
You said that I probably more I

1306
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:34,160
feel like I bellow off to
because he he went to sit right

1307
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:37,000
in front of you and then he went
to sit the one next to that,

1308
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,000
which would have obscured both
our views.

1309
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,200
Yes, and I I think I said, oh,
we're both fuck Nyers.

1310
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:44,680
Yeah, that's right.
You did say that, and I do

1311
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,560
believe he heard that part.
He might have, but it was so

1312
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,040
cute, like he just did it very
organically.

1313
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:51,319
He didn't make a big thing of
it.

1314
01:08:51,319 --> 01:08:53,040
He wasn't like, you're welcome,
ladies.

1315
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,399
He just sort of was like, hey,
just move over and then I'll sit

1316
01:08:55,399 --> 01:08:56,960
here.
And yeah, it's very, very sweet.

1317
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,439
It was so sweet.
And he wore we.

1318
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:00,319
Cat.
Yeah.

1319
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,160
And what did it say on it?
Like best human or.

1320
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,200
Yeah, something good human or
something like that.

1321
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:06,200
We're like, oh.
My God, you are.

1322
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,560
We're like, yes, yeah.
And we're like, Oh my God,

1323
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,560
there's a nice.
Man here look at you with

1324
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:14,160
situational awareness and.
Consideration for others and

1325
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:16,080
maybe here with like your
partner.

1326
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:20,680
Yeah, Which high five?
Yeah, because it was 99.9%

1327
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:22,479
female.
Indeed, there were a few.

1328
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,080
A few men had been dragged.
There a few brave men that were

1329
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:27,479
there.
I thought that was very sweet

1330
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,160
and.
Yeah, so shout out to a man with

1331
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:31,120
the hat.
Yeah.

1332
01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:33,279
If anybody knows this man, give
him a high five.

1333
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:33,960
Yeah.
Good job, dude.

1334
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:37,319
It was really sweet.
It was I, I like that part.

1335
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:39,200
Yeah.
That actually was a a nice part

1336
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,279
of the evening to me.
It was good.

1337
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:45,439
Well, thank you for doing woo
woo shit with me.

1338
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,479
Thank you for taking me to woo
woo shit.

1339
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:52,840
It was it was good fun.
And I I would say I don't

1340
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,160
believe this is the end of our
woo woo journey together.

1341
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:58,480
Melissa Rella unfortunately or
fortunately.

1342
01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:01,600
I believe that you're right.
We will.

1343
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,120
We will.
Try some more things like give

1344
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,960
us some suggestions.
Yeah, absolutely, if you have

1345
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:07,800
suggestions for.
Woo woo stuff that works for.

1346
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:12,800
You or you think that a skeptic
like our Melissa should try Let

1347
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,160
us know I'm going to just end
with like one thing, OK because.

1348
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:17,960
Again, this has to do with my
son.

1349
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,840
So he at some point discovered
when we were traveling that it

1350
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:25,680
is great fun in the hotel room,
right, Because they usually have

1351
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,680
cable, which I don't have at
home.

1352
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,960
I just have the streaming
services to turn on something

1353
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:35,000
like ancient astronauts or
something extremely weird in Woo

1354
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,760
woo because it's funny to hear
Mama yell at the TV.

1355
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,880
He's.
Like I gotta get her.

1356
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,800
Work to like 1 is amazing.
Like he probably did it since.

1357
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,560
He was about 9:00.
And we we still do it.

1358
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,240
Like we go to a hotel.
He's like, Oh my God, I hope

1359
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:53,000
they have ancient astronauts or
like Skinwalker Ranch or like

1360
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:57,040
any of those like paranormal
like shows ghost hunters or

1361
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:00,040
whatever because he thinks like
my reaction is hilarious.

1362
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:02,560
Oh my goodness.
OK, now I.

1363
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:06,280
Know I want my next evening with
you to be a bottle of wine.

1364
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:09,720
Get you a little tipsy?
Put on one of those shows.

1365
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,760
And and just.
You know, make recordings of

1366
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:14,840
your responses.
Yeah, good times.

1367
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,160
That would be golden.
Amazing.

1368
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,480
I love it.
Well, we all have our things.

1369
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:23,760
We do.
Encourage everybody to do what

1370
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,720
makes you, makes you feel good.
Absolutely do what works get you

1371
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,720
through a hard.
Time, yes, Yeah, within certain

1372
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,200
reasonable parameters, please.
And please don't pay too much

1373
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,920
for it, yeah.
Really quick to close out.

1374
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:43,160
Was there a thing that you did
or lent into post divorce that

1375
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,760
really helped you?
I wouldn't say like.

1376
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,600
Any practice or anything, woo
woo.

1377
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:53,200
I think what really helped me
was just leaning into all my

1378
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:56,520
friendships.
Yeah, yeah, that was the biggest

1379
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:58,160
thing.
That's a good thing to lean on

1380
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:03,560
in these.
Periods, yeah, I I trail ran a

1381
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:05,600
lot.
Oh nice, that helped me.

1382
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:10,440
And hot yogurt a lot.
Oh yeah, and often sobbed.

1383
01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:15,000
My way through.
But you know, again, maybe

1384
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:20,520
there's something just about,
you know, like we have cortisol

1385
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:22,960
in our body.
It makes our body feel away.

1386
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:26,400
Yeah.
And obviously moving yes helps

1387
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,120
those levels like that's.
The.

1388
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,720
Sciency part, yeah, that's true.
I actually did.

1389
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,080
Now that you said that.
Remember that I did quite a lot

1390
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:35,120
of hiking.
I mean I still do, but it was

1391
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:37,240
like every day, like a lot
daily.

1392
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:41,120
Yes, I was, I was hiking with my
dog, usually alone and it's it's

1393
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:45,800
honestly.
Again, the idea bringing up full

1394
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,120
circle that we have everything
we need inside ourselves.

1395
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:54,000
It's really interesting to see
the things that you like crave

1396
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:59,160
or reject.
I think this is like the the the

1397
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:02,200
meeting of the woo woo with
science moment for me.

1398
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:04,480
I love it where you know, like
when you.

1399
01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:06,720
Said when you were.
Pregnant, you automatically

1400
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:11,520
didn't like alcohol or you know,
when I was in a period even of

1401
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:16,400
very intense stress a few weeks
ago where things were just

1402
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:21,520
mental, I was craving my Inferno
Pilates.

1403
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:23,920
Yeah, that's right.
You were like I was addicted.

1404
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,160
Yes, I was going.
More than I have ever gone

1405
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:30,000
before or since.
And I would like leave class 5

1406
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,120
minutes early to run up the
road.

1407
01:13:32,480 --> 01:13:36,240
And bearing in mind I have been
going for 12 hour straight and I

1408
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,560
had to do my 45 minutes of
intense help.

1409
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,000
But it it somehow made me feel
better.

1410
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,280
Yeah, you needed it.
Yeah, for whatever reason.

1411
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:45,600
So weird.
Yeah.

1412
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:50,080
And you know.
So again, we we have it all in

1413
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:51,960
there in terms of just leaning
in.

1414
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:56,920
But again, like, you know, maybe
don't lean into destructive

1415
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:58,520
behaviors.
Yeah, yeah.

1416
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,440
Because that can be an impulse
too, right?

1417
01:14:00,440 --> 01:14:03,760
I do love your point that like,
we have what we need inside

1418
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:05,840
ourselves and to like, learn to
trust yourself.

1419
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:10,560
But if what your body is telling
you is is, you know, just be

1420
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,760
drunk all the time, right?
Or like take a whole bunch of

1421
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:17,720
edibles every single day, right?
We can be like, maybe, yeah,

1422
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:21,520
maybe that's not something to
lean into as much.

1423
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,960
Maybe you need to like, channel
that into a healthier thing to

1424
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,360
lean into, perhaps.
Again, no judgment.

1425
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,480
We're all just trying to cope,
of course, in this world.

1426
01:14:29,480 --> 01:14:31,000
So it's not like a moral
failing.

1427
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,880
It's just that like, this isn't
going to help long term, you

1428
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:35,560
know?
Yeah, it's going to create more

1429
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:37,760
problems, yes.
Might make it a wee bit worse

1430
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:39,600
so.
Yeah, well.

1431
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:41,320
Lean into that self.
Trust.

1432
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:45,280
Yeah, particularly if you're
stepping of a space that

1433
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,720
encourage the complete opposite.
Yeah, marriage or, you know,

1434
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:50,520
high demand.
Religion or whatever it might

1435
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:51,840
be, We're both.
We're both.

1436
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:53,800
Yeah.
We believe in you.

1437
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,080
The salty hoes believe in.
You we do.

1438
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:57,920
You can do it.
You can get through this.

1439
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,640
Whatever you're going through
and you're, you have a lot of

1440
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:04,680
wisdom, yes.
In in there wherever there is in

1441
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:05,960
your we self.
That's right.

1442
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:07,880
And if you're not going through
anything particularly?

1443
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:09,000
Hard right now.
That's great.

1444
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:10,520
We love that for you.
Still.

1445
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,680
Like, listen to yourself and
lean into the things that work.

1446
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,000
Yeah, we're all about
cultivating.

1447
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:19,640
The self trust, yes.
Love it for yourself, yes.

1448
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:23,640
Don't go around being judging.
Yeah, a Dick, Melissa, I

1449
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:25,040
believe.
It would be best for you to,

1450
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,200
Yeah, three entry guard readings
a week.

1451
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,840
Oh my God, Can you imagine?
You're like, no, no.

1452
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:36,760
Not doing that, no.
All right, stay salty eyed.

1453
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:42,720
There and give us a wee like
follow comment in terms of what

1454
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:46,640
woo practices you think that the
salty hoe should try.

1455
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,880
Oh yes please, we would love
some feedback on this.

1456
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,600
One take care and we'll see you
next time.

1457
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:53,160
See you soon.
Bye.