Boob Jobs and Botox: Why is Plastic Surgery so Common in Utah?

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Hey everyone, welcome back.
I'm Mel.

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And I'm Claire.
And together we are.

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The salty hoes.
All right, my brothers and

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sisters, my so pastoral.
I know, right?

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Yes, my brothers and sisters, my
salty hoes and salty Bros.

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Oh, I love it.
Yeah, the salty bro.

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Yeah, that's courtesy of my
brother.

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Oh, your brother I, he is like
our inaugural.

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Salty bro.
I know.

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He texted me.
He said I'm a salty bro

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officially.
I was like, Oh my God, we have

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to do merch.
We need T-shirts, right?

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Do you have a salty bro in your
life?

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Yes Oh my God, everyone needs a
salty bro. 100% I love that so

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good.
Salty host and salty Bros.

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Yep.
So welcome back to another

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podcast episode.
Yay.

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I'm really excited about today's
topic.

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Me too, it's something that
needs to be talked about for

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sure.
I agree.

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We're going to take a deep dive
into the wonderful world of

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Utah, and specifically we're
going to be talking about beauty

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standards and plastic surgery in
the land of Zion.

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Yes.
I mean, it's everywhere, but

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it's really a big deal.
Here, it's a big deal.

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Yeah.
But before we get started,

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Claire, how are you?
How was your week?

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What's going on?
What's going on?

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I'm as always, tired and
exhausted.

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My friends, it's but it's all
good.

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But I'm also, you know, good.
I'm like doing good.

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They're all good pursuits and
I'm my wee baby child just went

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to Paris for the weekend, which
is delightful.

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I'm glad that she's there safely
and but my per niece he was

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meeting up with my niece so
little cousin's journey journey,

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yes vacation and my per wee
nieces plea and had to do an

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emergency landing.
Oh no, On the way there, what

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happened?
They I guess some kind of like a

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technical thing.
So she took off in Glasgow, had

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to emergency land in Manchester,
and then they were able to take

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off again and go to Paris.
Scary.

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So that started off with like an
unexpected, you know, adventure.

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I hope she's not a nervous
flyer.

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You know, she she would she
would have been, I think

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previously.
She is such an epic human.

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I love my weenie.
She's a good soul and she she

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has been on a on a great journey
of self improvement and so I'm

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so proud of her.
Like she's.

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She's good.
Oh, that's great.

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That's amazing.
Yeah.

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So they're having a good time in
Paris.

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Isn't that lovely?
You're just like you.

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Know, you know, it's wonderful
and I love hearing about, you

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know, your kids and your
relatives and really anyone of

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that generation that's thriving
because I feel like sometimes we

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just hear like how poorly that
generation is doing.

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So I love like these stories of
them just thriving and

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blossoming and like doing all
the things.

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It's wonderful.
Taking their wee adventures.

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Yeah.
Are we?

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Are we Mom hearts are are glad
they're warm.

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They're warm.
How was your week?

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My week was pretty good.
I don't know.

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I feel like I don't have too
much to report that's.

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Good.
I know we like weeks like that.

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Yeah, yeah, I did a lot of
things with friends.

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I don't know.
That's a good week.

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Yeah, I love.
That for you?

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Nothing notable is coming to
mind.

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And which is good sometimes.
I did get my nails done.

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And they look amazing.
Oh, thank you.

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Shout out to your We Neely
person, which really ties in

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with our theme today.
It does absolutely well.

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Should we get right into it?
Let's dive in, my friend all.

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Right, so I feel like this is a
subject I've been totally

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fascinated with ever since I
moved to Utah.

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Oh my God, so it's not even a
recent phenomenon.

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No, it's a long time phenomenon.
I think that something a lot of

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people notice when they come to
Utah, either when they move here

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or when my visit, is that first
of all, we have this bizarre

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billboard culture.
There is definitely a billboard

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phenomena here that you don't
see in other places.

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Yeah, you don't, because a lot
of places it's illegal because

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it's an eyesore.
Oh, my God.

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And a distraction.
Yeah, you're on the freeway,

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right?
I never put that together

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before.
We're all like veering off

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looking at Julia Reagan.
Oh my God, Julia Reagan.

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Yeah, I feel like anybody from
new Utah will have instant

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recognition of Julia Reagan, so
tell us who she was.

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Yeah, should we explain for
people who are maybe not in the?

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The Happy Valley.
Happy Valley.

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Yes, design.
The the Zion, the Mordor, The

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Mordor.
Zooming time looking at Julia

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Reagan.
I mean, honestly, it's, it's

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cute and I, I'm then it got a
little weird, maybe.

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I don't know.
I'm waiting for her to pop up

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again.
So it will pop up again.

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So for those that don't know,
Julia Reagan and passed away.

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So she was part of the Reagan
clan and they're the ones that

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own the most billboards around
the state and other states as

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well.
But in Utah, they have the

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biggest market share for
billboards.

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So Julia Reagan passed away.
She was elderly.

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Yeah, like Eddie something.
Something like that.

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And so these billboards started
to pop up memorializing her

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death.
And you do see these from time

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to time.
You see other people, like, just

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like a little billboard
obituary, which is kind of

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strange.
Yeah, but with Julia Reagan, it

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ended up being dozens and dozens
of billboards, and they were up

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for over a year, right?
Like a long.

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Time.
Long time.

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Wasn't there like a wee message
from her husband or something

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that he was just going to do
this because he missed her so

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much?
Yes, yeah, yes, cute.

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Yeah, I guess so.
But.

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Question mark.
Yeah, well, it was kind of funny

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because I feel like, you know,
at first it was like, whatever.

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And then people were getting
kind of annoyed, right, Because

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there were so many of them.
You couldn't drive anywhere

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without seeing Julia Reagan's
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You know, I was like, mother,
wife, grandmother or something

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like that, right?
And there was all different

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versions, right?
It was always the same

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billboard, which, you know,
we've talked about my son and

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his hilarious sense of humor,
right?

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He is so funny.
Oh, man.

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We drove.
We were driving through like,

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Mill Creek, not even on the
freeway, and we saw a new

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billboard with her face on it.
And my son goes, oh, new Julia

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Reagan just dropped.
That kid is so quick I love.

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It, I know he's hilarious, but
it was funny because then it

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kind of came all the way around.
Like people were annoyed, right?

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Like if you looked at like the
Salt Lake City subreddit, people

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were like expressing their
displeasure.

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But then it went all the way
full circle the other way.

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Whereas Julia Reagan became our
patron, St.

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Yes, right, there's candles you
can get those like Hoey candles

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with.
Her.

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Yes, I have one, actually.
Oh, my God.

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It was like a prize for a little
friend event.

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Yeah.
So we love our Julia Reagan now.

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She and and the Whale at night
the 9th I feel like, are our two

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patron Saints of Salt Lake City.
Those are little icons, Yeah.

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Love it.
Yeah, but it is actually set.

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Actually, did I tell you I met
Julia Reagan once?

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Oh, you did?
I did.

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Yeah.
She was lovely.

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Oh, my God.
And actually, by the way, I feel

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like she should be more of a
feminist icon because she had a

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pH.
D in Physiology back in the day,

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which was real, real unusual.
That is incredible, right?

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Yes.
Why were they not calling her

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Doctor Julia Reagan then?
That's a great question That

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pisses me off.
OK, I'm like, you know, cuz like

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that happens and I'm assuming
they're Mormons.

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I don't know.
But like the you know.

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I actually don't know that
they're Mormons.

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I'm not sure that they are.
I'm like, don't drop her title

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she worked very hard for.
Yeah, it could have, said wife,

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mother.
Scholar or just doctor Julia

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Reagan.
Yeah, because she was.

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We know how hard it is to earn
that title.

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Well, it's harder for you than
most of us.

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Well, I mean, that's that's
another story, though.

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Yeah.
I mean, we don't all go for

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triple credits, Melissa, but
that's true.

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We don't.
But that is another story.

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You're right.
Yeah, OK.

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Well anyway, coming back to the
billboards, one of the mind

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blowing things about the
billboards is how many of them

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are advertising plastic surgery
or procedures like Botox, right?

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Or just beauty things in
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Yes, unlike like some things
that I'd never even heard of

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that I literally would almost
crash the car off the freeway

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because I'm like, you're what
you're advertising that.

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Like what?
Tell me.

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I can have a tighter vagina.
Oh.

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Do they really?
Advertise.

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I've seen that in Davis County.
No.

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I have seen that.
Like a labioplasty or something

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like that.
Yes.

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And you're just like, you know,
I clench as I drive by.

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I mean, yeah, go for it.
Like your tightness or whatever.

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Just do your hegels.
Yeah.

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And but for it to be a billboard
is, is, it's interesting, you

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know what I mean?
That is interesting.

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I actually don't like that at
all because to me, the

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implication of getting that
surgery is you're trying to make

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it.
Tighter.

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It's not for you.
It's for a man's pleasure.

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Exactly, it's not for me.
I feel completely fine about the

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state of my vagina right now.
Yeah, me too.

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Like it's actually not something
that I concern myself with.

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I like, I do my kegels because I
don't want to pee when I jump on

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a trampoline.
And I think I have kegels of

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steel to be honest, because not
believe it.

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I, you know, so grateful to do
not have that issue.

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But like, that's where my head
goes with that.

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But I don't like yeah, it's very
it's very male centered.

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And I wonder how many men have
seen it and recommended or

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purchased or their significant
other.

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I don't know.
Yeah.

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It just kind of like grosses me
out because let's face it, most

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of them are geared towards
women.

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I mean, I have seen like, dad
bod ones in Utah County.

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But like they're they're mostly
Hey little lady, here's how you

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could improve yourself.
Yeah, you could have bigger

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boobs.
Yeah, Yeah, I I agree.

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Almost.
I, I mean, I guess I can't

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really make up a number, but
yeah, almost all of them, yes,

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are geared towards women. 100%
yes.

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Well, maybe not.
Yes, yes, I'm getting into

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statistics.
Yeah, I mean, I think I've seen

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one or two geared towards men as
well, but that's really rare.

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When I see one of those, I was
like, I'm like, wow, OK.

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Right.
It is.

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It's like exceptional.
It's unusual.

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Suffice it to say, the vast
majority, A shocking amount of

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yeah, yeah, definitely.
Absolutely, and it's probably

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worth mentioning some of our
favorite reality TV show stars

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are in the game, right?
Absolutely we have, Heather.

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Gay's Beauty Lab and Laser.
Yeah, famously where Jen Shaw

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was arrested by the feds on
camera.

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That was amazing.
Yeah, amazing.

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Very impressive.
Yeah, I see those all the time.

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Have you ever been to Beauty Lab
and Laser?

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I have not.
I actually don't know where it's

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located.
I think there's two locations

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and 1 is like in Murray, Midvale
area like by the sports mall

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maybe?
Yeah, it's like right around

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there.
So a little, a little bit for

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the outside Utah people like in
in suburbia, a little bit

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outside of Salt Lake.
Yeah, it's kind of in the middle

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of the Salt Lake Valley, but not
in Salt Lake City proper.

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Yeah, I have never been.
Have you been?

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I was there once I got a you.
Did I did.

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Oh my God.
God.

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I didn't see Heather.
I got a facial.

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This was a long time ago, Yes,
like really long time ago.

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Is it a good facial?
It was OK.

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Yeah.
It wasn't as good as our girl.

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Paulina.
Oh my God I love Paulina.

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She is a miracle.
Worker I am going to have to

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mention her multiple times in
this episode because it's it's

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kind of like our circle of
friends that go to her is

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growing and when people see my
face, they'll go.

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Did you get Paulinaed?
I like it.

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We're verbing her.
We're verbing Pauline.

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Very nice.
Yeah, it's like, yes, I did.

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Thank you for noticing.
Because she's a queen she is.

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Shout out to Paulina.
Shout out to Paulina.

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All right, we also have those
Jay-Z hair billboards.

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Yes, yes, my son calls them.
And he's not alone.

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The jizz hair this Jay-Z.
I mean, come on, girly.

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She opened herself up to that
one.

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Why is it ZI don't understand?
Cuz that's not her initials.

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It's Jesse Draper and her
husbands last name which I don't

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remember how to pronounce.
Starts with an N, so it's not a

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Z is.
She a fan of Jay-Z, the rapper.

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I don't know.
I hadn't thought of that.

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Yeah, I don't know.
Maybe she has a business partner

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something, I'm not sure anyway.
There's some sentimental value,

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but yeah, you see those.
I mean, I don't know if they're,

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I mean, hair extensions are so
prolific in Utah.

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So prolific like.
So.

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Prolific and they are crazy
extensions, right?

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Like extensions down to the
waist.

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Yes, like wild, very long hair
and what is it?

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There's a name for it to the
Utah porn star hair style.

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Have you heard that Utah porn
hair Utah porn hair?

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Well, I worry because I perhaps
slightly have Utah porn hair.

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It's like the wave.
The Utah curl.

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Yes, but it's like called like
the Utah porn star haircut or

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something.
I love it but it's so funny

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every time.
Little sidebar related, every

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time I video call my mother in
Ireland, every time she'll say

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do you have extensions?
And I'm like, no, mom, I don't

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have extensions.
Does she not believe you, or

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does she just not remember?
I don't think she believes me.

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And then she'll tell me that
Princess Kiat, you know Prince

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Williams.
Oh yeah, right.

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Has hair extensions and I'm
like, OK, cool.

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Like I it how does this
gentleman don't have them?

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Like there's no judgement at all
on hair extensions like go for

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it, you know, totally.
And but we have this

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conversation every time and she
goes, well, it's very long.

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And I'm like, yes, I grew it all
by myself, like.

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You do have spectacular hair.
I can see why people might

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wonder about that.
Well, it's kind of funny because

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like, clearly I have some of her
genetics.

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And yeah, in my family, we have
very full heads of hair.

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And my mom is in her 80s.
Her hair's completely white, but

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she dies at purple and cute.
But it's very full.

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Yeah.
And she's old.

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And so I'm like, you know, you
don't take after the neighbor's

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mom.
Like, I don't have extensions.

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But anyway, slight digression.
But yes, we see Jessie mostly in

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the Utah County because, you
know, that's, that's where she

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is.
And, you know, she has her wee,

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her wee line of the extensions.
Would you ever do extensions?

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I've thought about doing
extensions.

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I I don't know, I they seem like
the maintenance is a lot.

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Yes, yeah.
And you have beautiful hair.

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Oh, thank you very much.
Yeah.

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I mean, it's not as long as
you're as good, relatively long.

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It's lovely.
Well, we could talk about the

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color because I go to Angie K's
Lunatic Fringe Salons.

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Oh my God, yeah.
Have you ever seen her there?

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Oh yeah.
Oh my God, yeah.

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So.
Cute.

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Yeah.
As you know, we're slightly

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acquainted.
Yes, slightly, yeah, But yeah,

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no, I've been going to Lunatic
Fringe.

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I've been to three different
locations I've been going for, I

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mean.
Forever.

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That is your place.
Yeah, that's been my place since

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before my son was born.
So more than 16.

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Years.
Oh wow, it's been a minute.

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Yeah, well cuz when you find a
good hair girly cuz I have one

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too.
Yeah.

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I have my Alicia and she's
amazing.

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I just go and sit there.
I don't even ask.

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I just go and sit in the chair
and she does.

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Stuff.
It's amazing.

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She's amazing.
Yeah.

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So that's great.
You saw Jessie going back to

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Jessie.
You saw her not so long ago, did

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you?
I.

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Did I saw her?
I was brunching.

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I was brunching with two of my
girlies and it was actually one

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of them spotted her.
She was there with her little

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daughter and two what looked
like assistants or minders or

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you know, something like that.
And it was in the era of where

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she was posting on the Insta
webs that people were being

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really mean to her because she'd
had a surgery and was like.

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Yeah, she had a multiple face
procedures.

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Yes.
Yeah, she posted those pictures.

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She looked really swollen.
Yes, she was a wee bit on the

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swollen side, Blesser.
And like, that's no shade.

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I'm not doing it from Oh my God,
you look like that.

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But she looked sore, like I
worry about that side.

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It looked sore.
Yeah, maybe we should talk about

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that for a second because I feel
like we're both on the same page

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where like we don't want to
shame anyone that's gotten

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procedures or surgery.
Yeah, absolutely not.

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Like that's your choice.
Yes, and whatever makes you feel

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good is great.
Totally support that a. 100% I

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think that we maybe want to
unpack a little bit why people

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might feel like they need to do
these sorts of procedures.

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Yeah, But certainly like we
don't want to judge anyone and

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who's had anything done.
And that's not the purpose of

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this podcast.
We because we're nerds, which

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may have a correlation of our
our lack of dexterity when it

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comes to the.
Procedure, Claire, you just gave

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us away.
No one ever could have guessed

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that.
Sorry guys, we're nerds.

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I don't know if you knew, but.
We're coming out.

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Nerds and I'm a little weird as
well.

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You may also have picked up on
that and not just you.

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That's that's just, you know,
that's where our we head goes.

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So yeah, it's the why.
Like that's what we're

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interested in again, because
we're like, why is there

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compulsion and why is there this
like high, high rate?

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Like you mentioned Angie K with
Lunatic fringe.

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She's not the only one with like
beauty adjacent right

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businesses.
There's Whitney Rose in the

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beauty space.
Does and Meredith have some

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products too.
I feel like beauty.

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Style think she might like she
mostly does stuff the jewelry

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yeah the bath bombs right,
because there was that that war

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bathtub war yes bathtub gate
yes.

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Bathtub gate Well, and let's not
leave fresh Wolf Officer officer

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either.
My children are entrepreneurs.

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Oh yeah, Lisa Barlow's sons with
their fresh Wolfline.

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I think that's still extends at
some point too.

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We should talk about Wild Rose
beauty because that hits another

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Utah theme, which is multi level
marketing.

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Oh God.
Yeah, so prolific in Utah and

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maybe crazy attached or at least
adjacent to that, the mindset,

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right?
Yeah.

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So we should come back to that.
I don't want to talk about that

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today.
I want to like sort of stay on

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the plastic surgery and actually
while we're talking about it,

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let's can we get personal?
Can I ask you personal?

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Can I ask you a personal?
Question, I love getting

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personal with you.
Did you hear my voice drop?

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Is it in the sexy range?
I know.

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I'm like give it to me.
Well, have you, have you had any

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work done?
Have you had any like cosmetic

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procedures or surgeries or
anything like that?

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The extent of my beauty you
can't call them procedures is I

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get paulinaed.
So tell us what Paulina does

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with you so.
Paulina with me.

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She, I have always had bushy
eyebrows.

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So like my mom when I was
little, she would always, you

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know, be like, you've got Brooke
Shields eyebrows like that.

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Sorry.
That was my Yeah, those are hot.

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Well, but they weren't when I
was a teenager.

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Well, that's why Brooke Shields
was so groundbreaking, right?

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Because everybody was like, Oh
my God, the eyebrows.

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And she's so hot.
Bush.

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Yeah.
Well, not that Bush, but.

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Like her Bush?
We don't know about that.

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Bush either way, no judgement.
But yeah, like people would

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comment on it because, you know,
she had what were considered

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very full eyebrows at that
stage.

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And meanwhile, you know, this is
the 90s, people are waxing off

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every shred of their eyebrows.
So, you know, my mom is pointing

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out you're a weirdo.
Like you're like, yes, but your

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mom, what a.
Peach.

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But I never had the knowledge to
the beauty knowledge.

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I was in the books.
I didn't have the awareness to

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do something about it.
Same.

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But then I was glad because then
I guess bushy eyebrows became a

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thing and and I have the bushy
eyebrows.

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So Paulina tames them because
they are like a lot.

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So she tames them, she dyes them
and then she dyes and curls my

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eyelashes.
So no extensions, but she just

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dyes them like really dark
black.

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And then it also be.
Perm.

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Oh yeah, that's right, the
little perm on the eyelashes.

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And I love her for this because
I like to wake up and leave the.

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House without putting makeup.
On and it's also very hard for

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me to leave the house in the
morning and the the more

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obstacles I can remove to get my
scattered ass Brienne out of the

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house and so thank you Paulina.
I will say one thing I'd love

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about her place spa day, by the
way, on 9th and 9th.

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It's a beautiful space, so well
decorated and lovely.

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But the thing.
I love about it and the reason I

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refer so many of my friends
there is it's a beauty space

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that doesn't make me feel bad
about myself.

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Yes, that's a really good point.
Yeah, I agree.

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Cuz a lot of those billboards or
spaces that you go, they kind of

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look at you and they're like,
well, I would recommend like,

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you know, you ugly shrew, like
that's what it feels like.

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But I go there and I have been
going to her for probably over

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10 years.
Like I do not do beauty stuff.

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I actually won a gift card there
in a silent auction for my

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daughter's High School Musical
like fundraiser.

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And so I went.
Oh, that's the origins story.

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And I, I'm nervous of those
spaces because I'm a dork or a

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nerd and it's, you know, and she
just is always like we work

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with, with the lovely beauty
that you have, you know what I

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mean?
She makes you feel good.

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She's like a good hype man.
She's so lovely.

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And just everything feels so
lovely and you do feel all glowy

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when you leave.
Yeah, I like it.

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So the eyebrows, do you get
those laminated or is that like

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a wax and a dye?
Nope, just died.

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Just died.
Just died.

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Wow.
Yeah, they look like they're

454
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:25,960
laminated.
They look so good.

455
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,040
Thank you, Question Mark.
I don't even know what

456
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:29,120
lamination is.
What are they?

457
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,520
Do they like?
You're asking the wrong person.

458
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,960
Like what do they put on there?
I had it, I had it done once and

459
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,240
it was kind of it was kind of
horrible because they dye them

460
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,680
at the same time, right?
And you see how fair my hair is,

461
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,320
right.
My eyebrows are basically non

462
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,720
existent.
So I do try to have Paulina dye

463
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,480
those as well and it doesn't,
you know, but I'm also like

464
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,960
really twitchy about it because
if they get too dark, I feel

465
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,560
like they look really weird
because I'm my hair is so light.

466
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,120
Yeah, because it's like I I need
a day or two for it to settle.

467
00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,080
Sometimes like I need to find a
couple days where like I don't

468
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,160
expose my face.
To the world, yes exactly.

469
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,760
You're right because you are so
fair skinned.

470
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,600
But that's also a vibe, noy.
Well yeah definitely.

471
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,320
I don't hate my coloring or
anything but I had my brows

472
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,600
laminated once and the shape
looked amazing.

473
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,240
But they did them black black.
Black.

474
00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:22,160
It was like I went out to the
car and looked at my son.

475
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,280
I came back in in tears.
I'm like, can you take some of

476
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,560
the color out?
I can't leave the house.

477
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,520
I have a date tomorrow.
Like they're like, why do I look

478
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,480
like Groucho Marx?
Like like.

479
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,200
Like the poor girls, they didn't
know what to do with me.

480
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,040
They're like, I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.

481
00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:41,760
They're like, we'll give you a
refund.

482
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,280
I was like, no, I don't.
Want a refund?

483
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,200
You're like just help me for the
love of God.

484
00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:48,840
She did the work Like I don't
need my money back, but can you

485
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,160
make me look less like a
Neanderthal?

486
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,440
Did they?
Was there anything they could

487
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:54,600
do?
They tried.

488
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,560
Oh my God.
They got a little of the color

489
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,160
off, but they didn't quite know
it.

490
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,800
Just Melissa.
Because you aren't.

491
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,360
Like, for those of you that have
not seen the beautiful

492
00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:06,560
Melissarella like you are,
you're like, blonde, very fair

493
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,440
skin.
Like, Yeah.

494
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,920
Like the, the, the dark black
eyebrow lamination probably

495
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,160
would not be a good idea.
Yeah.

496
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,160
Oh, this is This is why we're
afraid.

497
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,080
We're afraid.
I know it's scary, you guys.

498
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,680
And these are like temporary
procedures.

499
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,480
So luckily it did calm down.
I think I cancelled the date.

500
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,960
Because I was just like, like, I
can't, the house, I can't.

501
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,960
They're going to stare at my
eyebrows and I'll be like, stop

502
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,560
looking at my eyebrows.
Oh my God.

503
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,480
Oh wow.
OK, so you do the eyebrows, you

504
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,640
do the lashes, Do you do
anything else?

505
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,960
I mean, I wax occasionally,
although it's been a minute and

506
00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:46,520
in fact I have a wax this very
day.

507
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,720
And they're going to need like
gardening tools.

508
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,360
I mean not to.
Be a weed whacker, yeah?

509
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,280
It's it's been a minute and it's
to the point where like I am,

510
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,840
I'm not comfortable.
Like obviously, hello, yeah, no

511
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:03,200
one is seeing me naked, but I'm
just personally not comfortable

512
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,840
because I'm like, there's a lot
happening.

513
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,520
Yeah.
You know, I, I do it weather I

514
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,080
think anyone's gonna see me down
there.

515
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,000
Exactly.
Yeah.

516
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,840
Yeah, because it just, it's not
comfy.

517
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,280
And also, I'm just gonna
overshare because that's what I

518
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:17,320
do.
That's our brand.

519
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,840
At this age, so you know, I have
some wee Grays popping through

520
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,080
in the top and my beautiful
Alicia fixes this for me every

521
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,560
couple of weeks.
But that that tends to go a

522
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,040
funny color down there too.
Oh, oh, I didn't have.

523
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,160
You had.
That yet?

524
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,200
Well, OK, do wax regularly.
I do wax regularly and I take it

525
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,040
all off.
I don't leave a landing strip or

526
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:41,120
anything like that.
But you know, I did try to do a

527
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,800
laser hair removal down there.
Me too A.

528
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,000
Couple years ago.
But the thing about laser is

529
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,000
that you need pigment for the
laser to work.

530
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,840
And I, you know, I mean, I've
got some red in my hair.

531
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,480
Let's just say that the carpet
matches the curtain.

532
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:57,280
Yes.
Right.

533
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:02,360
So I thought it's the only place
on my body where my hair has any

534
00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:03,920
color at all.
I was like, I thought it would

535
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,400
work and it did to some extent.
But then I still have so many,

536
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,600
like really light hairs down
there that I still have to wax.

537
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:11,240
Yep.
Yeah.

538
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,000
To take those off rather than
just being patchy.

539
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,880
Right.
So sorry everyone if that was

540
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,120
too much information, but
actually I'm not sorry.

541
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:19,320
Books.
Yeah, exactly.

542
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,000
Yes, you've heard.
You've heard this before if

543
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,760
you're this far into.
Of the podcast, yeah, you know

544
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,640
who we are at this point and
also yeah, why is it OK to have

545
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,680
the billboards but then we can't
talk about it?

546
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,240
Like no, of course.
We can talk about it.

547
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,720
We're and we're gonna talk about
it.

548
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,240
Yeah, we.
Are going to talk about it.

549
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,480
So we're pretty aligned it looks
like.

550
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:40,120
Yeah, So I think like, right.
So with the hair color change, I

551
00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:43,720
don't think that with my hair
color I would really even notice

552
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,280
the Gray or see it because so
many of my hairs are kind of

553
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,920
white, blonde, white anyway.
Yeah, and I'm on the darker

554
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,520
ginger V and.
Yeah, you are.

555
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,560
You've got that gorgeous Auburn
going on like.

556
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,960
Sort which seems to be getting
more ginger as I age, which

557
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,840
apparently is the thing.
That's the thing, yeah.

558
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:00,800
So.
I I'll go.

559
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,760
Ginger Grey.
Yeah, I don't know.

560
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:03,880
There you go.
It's very pretty.

561
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:05,600
Well, thank you.
I'm back at you.

562
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,720
Yeah, so I don't, I've not had
any work done either.

563
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,920
I've never had any Botox.
Yeah, no fillers, nothing

564
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,080
injectable.
I've done nothing like that.

565
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,120
I've never had a plastic
surgery.

566
00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:20,640
Yeah, the laser hair removal I
guess is like the biggest thing

567
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,840
I've tried to do.
Yeah, that would be me too.

568
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,760
Yeah.
I stopped because it didn't feel

569
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,800
like a very hygienic
establishment.

570
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,960
She was like wiping the laser
thing with a Clorox wipe when I

571
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:30,680
got in.
And then I.

572
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,640
Don't like to?
Stick it like damp on your bits.

573
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,920
And I was like, no, no, I can't.
Combine, I think there's

574
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,800
probably a risk of burning too
with that, right?

575
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:41,720
Yes, yeah.
So that I do get my nails done,

576
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,680
I get pedicures, manicures.
I go to Paulina.

577
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,680
Sometimes I do a facial.
Yeah, I get Paulina.

578
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,040
So I'll do facials.
Her facials are devising.

579
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,720
Yeah.
Like the products, they smell

580
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,480
so, so good.
But that's it.

581
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,640
Like I haven't had any of like
the procedures.

582
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,640
Yeah, Yeah.
Well, it seems we are in the

583
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,560
minority, my friend, especially
here in Utah.

584
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,320
Totally.
We love the stats because we are

585
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:06,360
the nerds.
The nerds.

586
00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:09,600
I have some stats, please, from
BYU.

587
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:15,080
BYU, so your alma mater and
also, you know, just, it's seems

588
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:20,720
really relevant here in Utah.
So 14% of Mormon women in a

589
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,000
study had done major cosmetic
surgery.

590
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,920
So boob jobs, liposuction, tummy
tucks, it's a lot higher than

591
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,600
the national average, which is
around 4%.

592
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,800
Wow.
Like, that's a lot more, 4%

593
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,160
versus 14%.
That's a huge difference.

594
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,840
Yeah.
So what you're telling me is

595
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,480
that Mormon women are three and
1/2 times more likely to have

596
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,880
plastic surgery than just
American women generally?

597
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,000
That is what I'm telling you.
And Utah is number one in Google

598
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,080
searches for breast augmentation
and boob jobs.

599
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,920
And there's also a massive
increase.

600
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,120
And this is the one that makes
me a wee bit sad.

601
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:58,640
Again, not judgy, but like in
young people getting plastic

602
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,000
surgery and cosmetic
enhancements like the Botox and

603
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,720
the fillers, because it's, it's
the fact that they're young.

604
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,120
Like, I want to be clear about
that.

605
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,440
Yeah, that's apparently when
you're at your beauty prime.

606
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,520
Yeah.
And the fact that they obviously

607
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:12,960
feel like they have to do it
right.

608
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,720
Right, that's the part that
makes me sad.

609
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,880
Yeah, it is your choice, but you
shouldn't have to be doing like

610
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,880
fillers and Botox in your 20s.
But, you know, we we see this on

611
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,440
the secret lives of Mormon
wives.

612
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,160
It seems like they all have that
going on.

613
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,880
Yeah.
And they're all in their 20s,

614
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,720
right?
I forget how young they are

615
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,240
sometimes, like they are like
some of them are younger than

616
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:38,000
some of my children.
Yeah, and so and again, no

617
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,000
shade.
They're all stunning, like

618
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,600
beautiful, beautiful girlies
hand stine always happen right

619
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,240
from the start before any
things.

620
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:51,840
But like I, that pressure is a
lot, you know, to keep up on the

621
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,720
PD standard.
It is a lot, and it makes me sad

622
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,240
for, you know, Jessie.
We were just talking about her

623
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,960
and, like, all these base
procedures.

624
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:02,360
Yeah.
I mean, she's gorgeous, like.

625
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,520
Stunning.
Stunning, yeah.

626
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,920
It makes me sad that she feels
like this is something that she

627
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,160
needs to do.
Yeah.

628
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,480
And you know, if it's, if it's
all just for her, intrinsically

629
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,000
for her, you know.
I wonder, though, I mean, like,

630
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,160
now she's in this weird, like
under the microscope because of

631
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,520
the reality show.
So I bet that there's, you know,

632
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,160
some of that pressure right
going on.

633
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,680
I'm sure people say horrible
things about her online.

634
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,120
Well, and they have with like
her incident with the Italian

635
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:39,720
guy, they were on Julie hard on
her like it was ridiculous.

636
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,600
I felt so sad for.
Her I did too, because I she was

637
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,720
so transparent.
She owned her shit, She totally

638
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:51,000
and she didn't she didn't do all
the things and you know, even if

639
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,320
she did, like she owned it and
it was understandable from her

640
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,560
story, it really was, and they
me at her right to be this even

641
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,600
her husband.
I was like, dude, I don't punch

642
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,880
you in the fucking face, because
why did why?

643
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,040
Like I'm not saying it's the
right course of action, but you

644
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,600
can understand why like Girly
needed some some validation that

645
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,560
she was not getting in her
relationship.

646
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,080
I mean I feel like he even
admitted to being emotionally

647
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,040
abusive.
And like, dude, yeah, why are

648
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,400
you making her it to be the bad
guy?

649
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,400
And like the I'm sorry, any dude
that draws in like our children

650
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,240
will like fuck you, I'm sorry.
Yeah, you're verbally abusing

651
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,480
her in front of the children,
and now suddenly she's the

652
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:29,920
villain.
She's a terrible mother because

653
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,160
clearly she's a very good.
Mom and I actually hated how

654
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,840
everyone, including her, was
calling this an affair.

655
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,400
When she kissed the man twice,
it did not have sex.

656
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:39,880
An affair.
Stop it.

657
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,120
No, no.
Like stop.

658
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,600
I mean I love you.
Do that thing like stop when I

659
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,000
clap my hands to peoples faces.
Stop.

660
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,520
I got that from my
sister-in-law.

661
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,800
She's awesome.
It's a good move.

662
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,160
Yeah, we should.
Have done that to his face, I.

663
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,080
Wanted to clap his face and say
stop several times because she.

664
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,320
Owned it.
She owned it and she was

665
00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,520
penitent.
I guess you could.

666
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,120
Sort of call it an emotional
affair, but I'm not even sure I

667
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,440
would call it stretch.
Yeah, it was other girly had

668
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,160
more of an emotional affair than
she did to.

669
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:08,880
Me.
Let's not even get into that

670
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,040
thought.
Yeah, that's a whole nother

671
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:10,600
topic.
A little.

672
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,120
Gross.
Back to our surgery back.

673
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,720
To our surgery, yeah, no, It
makes me sad that they feel like

674
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,080
they have to.
And also, I don't think I want

675
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,320
to say the name, but, you know,
all these women are really,

676
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,160
really skinny, right?
And that's part of the beauty

677
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:29,000
standards for women as well in
America generally, but

678
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,800
especially in Utah.
Most of them look skinny but

679
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,280
healthy.
One of them, I wonder if she has

680
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:36,360
an eating disorder.
Yeah.

681
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:37,760
I'm not going to say which one.
Yeah.

682
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,120
And that's fair.
I'm scared.

683
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,000
I'm scared for.
Her I know, and again, it's

684
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,880
just, you know, that's not
always about beauty standards

685
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,760
can be can like emotional
control and all of those things,

686
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,720
but it's just it's icky.
Yeah, I I mean, I worry because

687
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,200
I feel like in the first season
she did not look like she had a

688
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,680
eating disorder, but then she
came back in seasons two and

689
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,560
three and looks unhealthy to me.
Yeah.

690
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,160
So I'm, I'm yeah.
Anyway, you just worry kind of a

691
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,560
different, but kind of going
back to what you were saying

692
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,520
about, like, young people
feeling the pressure to get

693
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:08,760
these things done.
Yeah.

694
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,320
I need to share.
So my mom, my mother, who, you

695
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,120
know, Yes.
Yeah, She's lovely.

696
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,120
She used to teach high school
here in Utah.

697
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,800
Yeah, for some years.
And she had so many female

698
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,080
students who were given a boob
job for their high school

699
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,600
graduation gift.
What?

700
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,960
Yeah.
Oh my God.

701
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,920
Isn't that wild?
That is wild and sickening.

702
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,880
Because what age are you like
18180?

703
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,880
Seventeen.
Maybe in some circumstances.

704
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,480
Well, I think probably you have
to be 18.

705
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,080
Well, maybe you could do it at
17 with parental permission, but

706
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,000
when you graduate, you're 18
usually.

707
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,840
Almost always.
I.

708
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:49,880
What?
Wow.

709
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,040
I mean, it's kind of horrifying.
Well.

710
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,040
Because again, maybe the mom and
me is just coming out today, but

711
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,880
like, like, you're still little
when you're 18.

712
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,040
Like, I'm not trying to
infantilize adult women, but

713
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,480
like, you know, I you're, you're
not.

714
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,040
And like, you're young and
perky.

715
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,840
Yeah.
Well, and you're not sure who

716
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,000
you are yet, right?
Like that frontal lobe maybe

717
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,520
isn't fully developed.
Like, you don't necessarily have

718
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,400
a strong sense of who you are
and who you're going.

719
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,680
To be self identity, all of
those things.

720
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,600
And that's that's great.
You're discovering it.

721
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,200
But then you're you sort of have
this situation now.

722
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,000
Yeah.
I mean, it's not that it's

723
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,240
irreversible, but it's a
situation.

724
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,640
It's a major surgery.
Like it's not like just Botox or

725
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,320
something.
That's a minor little thing.

726
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:34,720
You're just putting a needle in
your face.

727
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,920
But yeah, boob job is a big
deal.

728
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,360
Well, and there are consequences
right?

729
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,120
Like losing sensitivity in your
nipples is a potential.

730
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,640
So what?
I've heard from friends that's

731
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,440
true.
I don't want to be loose in

732
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,960
sensitivity anywhere.
Oh God no, that is pleasurable.

733
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,680
Yeah, it feels like that would
decrease your sexual function,

734
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:52,920
right?
Like that's a big.

735
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:54,800
Deal.
And that's supposed to be OK.

736
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,920
So you can be decoratively
pleasing like no thank you,

737
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:58,480
right?
Like.

738
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,920
Pleasing to the male gaze.
Yes like fuck that noise.

739
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,240
Sorry, like just.
I agree it's.

740
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,320
Yeah, and I had no idea as well.
I knew that some people

741
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,600
attributed it to sickness and
there's that X plant community.

742
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,080
But I also, and this is actually
going back to Jessie again.

743
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:21,280
She was saying that her slipped
like they always slipped, and I

744
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,239
was like, Oh dear God.
I shouldn't do that.

745
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,520
No.
And so for this other surgery

746
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,360
she was getting, they were
putting like a net or a cage or

747
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:29,360
something in.
So they didn't.

748
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,480
Slip Yeah, I remember.
And again, I just the discomfort

749
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,920
I like to not like I get funky
over feeling uncomfortable in

750
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,080
parts of your body and I like I
just think that must feel.

751
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,400
Not good.
It makes me kind of sick to my

752
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,280
stomach to think about it.
Like sitting, feeling that or

753
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,880
like, oh God, they've slipped.
I need a net in there.

754
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,320
Like yeah, I don't like.
That I mean just feeling

755
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,240
something exogenous in my body,
yes, That isn't that I wasn't

756
00:34:58,240 --> 00:34:59,840
born with.
Like to me, that's icky.

757
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,720
Yes, which is why, like some
people don't get tattoos and

758
00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:05,120
stuff, right.
Oh yeah.

759
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,520
The idea of like not being able
to get something off their body.

760
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,560
But I do have some tattoos.
But like, yeah, it's a sensory

761
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,520
thing for some people, I think
potentially.

762
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,840
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
So it's really interesting to me

763
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,480
that this is so prevalent in
Utah and so prevalent among

764
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,440
Mormons.
I mean, again, what the numbers

765
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,480
you just gave me 3 1/2 times
more likely to do major

766
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,280
surgeries.
Yeah.

767
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,440
And that's, that's strange to me
cuz like, as we've talked about

768
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,160
before, I grew up in the Mormon
church and the church I grew up

769
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,680
in has strict guidelines about
altering your body.

770
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,280
Yes, right.
And modesty.

771
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,880
They're modesty police.
Yeah, drawing attention to your,

772
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,040
your body.
Like when we were in high

773
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,080
school, there was this pamphlet
called For the Strength of

774
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,520
Youth.
Did you ever remember that?

775
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:48,760
Do you remember?
That yes.

776
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,240
Boy Yep and I actually I found
it and I want to read a little

777
00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:57,320
bit of it Is that cool yes share
away all right here we go so

778
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:03,000
quote and this was put out in
1990 OK, so this is a while ago

779
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,640
yeah it's going back They
they've revised it several times

780
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,200
since to make it softer is my
understanding, but this is the

781
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,480
19. 90s Oh this is the the OG.
Version.

782
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,280
Yeah, the OG version.
OK, All right.

783
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,000
It says quote.
Because the way you dress sends

784
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,480
messages about yourself to
others and often influences the

785
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,440
way you and others act.
You should dress in such a way

786
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,520
as to bring out the best in
yourself and those around you.

787
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,200
However, if you wear an immodest
bathing suit because it's the

788
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,480
style, it sends a message that
you are using your body to get

789
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,720
attention an approval and that
modesty is not important.

790
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,960
Or maybe you just like a two
piece.

791
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:42,680
Well, so when I I don't know
about y'all in Ireland but where

792
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,560
I grew up that was not OK.
You couldn't wear a bikini, had

793
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,480
to be a one piece.
It was the same, although we did

794
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,560
actually probably not wear
swimmer in the same volume that

795
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,960
you did in sunny California.
That's true.

796
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,360
But yes, there was an attachment
around.

797
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,000
You don't wear bikinis.
Yeah, no bikinis, right?

798
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,000
That's a modest OK.
And then it goes on.

799
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,920
So quote in modest clothing
includes short shorts, tight

800
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,720
pants and other revealing
attire.

801
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,680
Young women should refrain from
wearing off the shoulder, low

802
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,120
cut or revealing clothes.
Young men should similarly

803
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,280
maintain modesty in their dress.
All should avoid tight fitting

804
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,760
or revealing clothes and
extremes and clothing and

805
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,600
appearance UN quote.
Oh, they added the boys in there

806
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,080
right at the end.
Hi, nice.

807
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,040
Right to your a little token
mention.

808
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,400
Oh my God, it's so sexist.
Wow.

809
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,480
Yeah, And I mean, I remember
getting a lot of shade in my

810
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,400
ward.
So, like, when we went to high

811
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,600
school dances, it was our, like,
little cultural tradition.

812
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,760
I don't know why I like to wear
your prom dress or your

813
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,520
homecoming dress to church the
next day.

814
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,080
Yeah.
And I had one that was off the

815
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,040
shoulder, and I got scolded for
that dress.

816
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,840
My God.
I mean, it was perfectly modest.

817
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,720
Who scolded you?
Everyone, like my peers, my

818
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,800
young women's leaders.
Like, I don't know what my

819
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,280
parents were thinking.
They let me wear it.

820
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,280
They didn't say anything.
But like everyone else in the

821
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,040
ward was like, Oh my God, how
dare you.

822
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,480
Well, and like, what gives
people the right to think they

823
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,760
can comment on you, a child in
that way?

824
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,520
You know what I mean?
Like just general rule of thumb,

825
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,800
don't comment on people's bodies
period as we sit here and judge

826
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,400
people.
We're not judging people, we're

827
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,960
judging beauty.
Yes, we are and that's a very

828
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,040
separate thing.
But just never comment on

829
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:34,080
people's sweet face hair just
pregnant, right?

830
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,720
Just let them be.
And going back to the episode on

831
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,840
my leaving thing of the way, you
know, the the bishopric was

832
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,200
noticing my short skirts and
stuff like why are people

833
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,040
noticing this about teen girls?
Yeah, they were turned on by

834
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,440
your legs and it was really
inappropriate, like your.

835
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,560
Shoulders.
Yeah, that story made me feel

836
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,960
uncomfortable for you.
And I just remembered this bit

837
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,160
about the shoulders and like it
was really inappropriate for

838
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,120
people to be coming commenting
on that.

839
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,200
Like you wild crazy whore with
your shoulders, right?

840
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,280
Yeah, well, I mean, and it used
to be the case when I was

841
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,680
growing up in the church.
You did not show your shoulders.

842
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,560
Shoulders are a no no.
Right.

843
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,960
I mean, because wow, the
shoulders, man, they're so so.

844
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,720
Hot.
Yeah, well, maybe it's that's

845
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:18,720
where the armpit, the bagpipe.
The bagpipe good call back Yeah,

846
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:20,160
if.
You, if you've listened to Mel's

847
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,920
story, you know that that's a,
that's a technique to get around

848
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,120
sexual pleasure at BYU.
So maybe, maybe the shoulders to

849
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,080
get the Mormon men going.
Yeah, we jokingly call them porn

850
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,320
shoulders here in Utah, and it
used to be the case that Mormon

851
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,520
women who had been through the
temple couldn't show their

852
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,760
shoulders because the special
underwear covered.

853
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,800
Them it was like a wee cap
sleeve but recent event.

854
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,960
Recent events have.
Decriminalized the shoulder.

855
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,000
I mean, yes.
Or deportified?

856
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,000
Deportified.
Yeah, just this year, right?

857
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,760
Yes, and there were lines around
where you buy the special

858
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,000
underwear, which is like Deseret
book and distribution Centers

859
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,320
for the church.
There were lines around the

860
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,440
block of all these.
We young girlies to be like

861
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,280
freedom for the shoulder and
it's heartbreaking.

862
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,840
That's so sad.
It's like yes, you can get your

863
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,680
like your shoulder revealed.
Yeah, yeah.

864
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,760
I mean, I do think things have
changed a little bit.

865
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,320
You know, I have some like
nieces that are still in the

866
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,600
Mormon church and I feel like
they they don't have a problem

867
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,960
showing off their shoulders or
maybe, you know, even like

868
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,720
tighter clothes than we would
have been allowed to wear,

869
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,320
shorter shorts, like all of that
stuff.

870
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,760
And I think that's great.
And you see that on Real

871
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,880
Housewives of Salt Lake City and
Secret Lives, like they wear

872
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,760
whatever short, tight shoulders
out.

873
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,880
And some of them are still
practicing Mormons.

874
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,720
And like back in the day, that
would have been a no, no.

875
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:46,360
Oh.
Absolutely not a crop top, are

876
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,400
you?
Kidding me The.

877
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,800
Spaghetti straps the midriff Do
you remember the trend where

878
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,080
women were wearing those sun
dresses with spaghetti straps

879
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,080
but they would put the white
T-shirt underneath it?

880
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,000
The the.
Dyne, E Basic.

881
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,120
So cringe.
The modesty shield.

882
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,120
Yeah, the modest.
It's not a good look, but

883
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,120
modest, As hot, as clear.
No, it's not.

884
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,560
I'm sorry.
It's not like multiple and

885
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,480
things that are supposed to
share show your arms like no no.

886
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,840
Just just just no, yeah.
Just wear something different.

887
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,360
Yeah, so like we were really
like, we weren't even supposed

888
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,480
to wear shorts that were above
the knees, which I mean, that's

889
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:22,800
that's not a short.
I know.

890
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,640
It's like a pre.
Yeah, exactly.

891
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,360
Your God.
It's not a good look.

892
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,960
Wow.
Yeah, I do you remember a couple

893
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,840
of years ago when leggings made
a comeback?

894
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,800
Yes, because they were out for a
long time.

895
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,160
Yes.
And they came back.

896
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,400
And I can remember, I still went
to the church at the time.

897
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:40,360
And I can remember sitting with
my daughter who was a wee teen

898
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,920
at the minute, and this woman at
the minute, at that time, this

899
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,760
woman was addressing the the
girlies, the 12 to 18 girlies

900
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:52,960
and saying, you might think that
leggings are a reason that you

901
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,720
can wear a short dress now.
But no, you know what's wrong?

902
00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:57,080
Deep inside, you know what's
wrong.

903
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,320
And I just said to my daughter,
no, it's not it's fine.

904
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,520
She's sitting in her cute beach
unique in her leggings.

905
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,800
She's a child.
Yeah, again A.

906
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,320
Child, she was like 12 and I was
like, that's not right.

907
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,280
You look great.
Like no, yeah, I don't like no

908
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,120
sexualizing of children. 100%
not good.

909
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,480
Not good.
You know, this just reminded me

910
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,000
of something else.
So like when I grew up, we were

911
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,120
taught to cover up, right?
And if you were sort of

912
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,440
displaying, you know, like
cleavage or body parts, they

913
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,880
would call it your your walking
pornography.

914
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,960
Oh my God, I know.
Right When I was at BYU, and I

915
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,040
feel like this is a perennial
thing that comes up at BYU

916
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,280
because BYU is, it could be a
little insane sometimes.

917
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,640
Really.
That's so surprising.

918
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,400
Shocker.
Mormon.

919
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,480
University, there was this
controversy, right where God,

920
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,440
you know, mostly men would like
write in these letters to the

921
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,480
editor of the university paper
saying that women shouldn't wear

922
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,200
crossbody bags like messenger
bags because it emphasized their

923
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,440
breasts too much.
Oh my God.

924
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,480
You believe?
So were you supposed to like a

925
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,160
haul around a sack?
Well, like a backpack, right?

926
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,360
Because no.
That could show your cleavage.

927
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,440
Like where do you draw the?
Line.

928
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,760
Well, obviously it's ridiculous,
but my God.

929
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,880
Yeah.
Which is another theme, right?

930
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,080
Like in Mormonism and some other
like religions like this, women

931
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,000
are made responsible for men's
sexuality.

932
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,440
We've talked about this before.
Yes, 100%.

933
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,400
And also the idea that, like, we
have to be responsible for their

934
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,240
urges when they just can't say,
oh, God, I feel horny and like,

935
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,680
yeah.
Well, but this is like an

936
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,000
interesting double standard
because, like, we have these

937
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,840
modesty guidelines.
Yeah.

938
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,720
And then also, I feel like this
was in the 90s and early 2000s

939
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:46,000
as well.
There was 1 president of the

940
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:51,000
church or prophet, whatever they
call them, who you know, not

941
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,080
only were you not allowed to get
tattoos, but he was really

942
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,000
against, first of all, men
having any piercings whatsoever.

943
00:43:57,720 --> 00:43:59,880
Women were only supposed to have
one set of piercings.

944
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,080
So you couldn't have two
piercings in a in an ear, just

945
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,160
one.
Like who?

946
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,120
The thing is this?
Like who is noticing these

947
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,800
things?
Like I I would never be able to

948
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,960
even recall any of my friends
how many piercings they have in

949
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,680
their ears.
Like and way to get specific

950
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,920
bro.
And also I thought you're in a

951
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,120
church?
Like why are churches trying to

952
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,200
mandate this?
Like I had a friend in Utah or

953
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:27,760
not Utah County, the other one
that way.

954
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,840
Davis County again, another very
Mormon suburban county.

955
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,480
And their Bishop said that the
women in the ward needed to be

956
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,760
wearing padded bras.
What?

957
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,480
Yeah.
What, so you can see a nipple?

958
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,520
So you couldn't see any nipples.
He probably wanted the lift as

959
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,800
well, honestly, if he was to get
real honest.

960
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:50,320
But like imagine standing up in
front of children in the men

961
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,440
meeting at church and shaming
the women to wear padder bras.

962
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,520
So you couldn't see like how
many men?

963
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,600
I think the term is shift gears.
You see it all the time.

964
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:05,600
Men stand up and they like
adjust their falls and you know.

965
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,280
Yeah, just watch a baseball
game, right?

966
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,120
Like so why is nobody policing
that?

967
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,320
But yet the women like don't let
us see your nips.

968
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,400
Yeah, because our bodies are so
much more sexualized than men's.

969
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,240
I mean, it is absolutely
ridiculous, which, you know,

970
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,680
maybe you have answered my
question already, but like, why

971
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,280
is plastic surgery so prevalent
in in the Mormon heartland?

972
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,280
OK, so this is such a
fascinating question, and I have

973
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,880
at least maybe a partial answer
for you.

974
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,560
So I read this article in Time
magazine like 10 years ago.

975
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,400
So it was published back in
2015.

976
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,640
And basically this article has
been living rent free in my head

977
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:44,680
ever since.
Oh my God.

978
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,280
Yeah.
Because it's actually yeah, it

979
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,960
actually maybe explains a lot.
OK, so the article, if y'all

980
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,680
want to go back and find it, we
can link it in the show notes.

981
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,240
It's called what 2 religions
Tell us about modern the modern

982
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,920
dating crisis.
OK, so can I read part of this

983
00:45:58,920 --> 00:45:59,280
to?
You.

984
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,120
I'm assuming Mormonism is one of
the two.

985
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:05,280
Yes, the other one is Orthodox
Judaism, but I don't really want

986
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,320
to talk about that because
that's not our culture and I

987
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,760
don't really have an
understanding of what goes on

988
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,800
there 100% so I think we'll just
leave that alone if you want to

989
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,440
Mormons.
Yeah, if you want to read that.

990
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,040
It's very sad actually, but I'm
let's just talk about the

991
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:19,920
Mormons, OK?
Because we know the Mormons.

992
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,680
We do inside and out yes.
All right, so here's a little

993
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:28,120
excerpt from the article.
It says quote today mainstream

994
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,000
dating guides tell the
everything going for her career

995
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,720
woman.
It's her fault she's still

996
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:34,760
single.
She just needs to play hard to

997
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:39,400
get or follow a few simple rules
to snag Mr. Right One simple

998
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,880
trick so much work, but the
problem is actually a

999
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,960
demographic 1 Multiple studies
show that college educated

1000
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,720
Americans are increasingly
reluctant to marry those lacking

1001
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:51,040
a college degree.
This bias is having a

1002
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,920
devastating impact on the dating
market for college educated

1003
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,000
women because there's a
disparity between college

1004
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,560
educated women and men.
Anyway, kind of skips ahead and

1005
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,640
says lopsided gender ratios
don't make it statistically

1006
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,640
harder for don't just make it
statistically harder for college

1007
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,440
educated women to find a match.
They change behavior too.

1008
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,360
According to sociologists,
economists, economists, God I

1009
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,200
can't read and psychologists who
have studied sex ratios

1010
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,640
throughout history.
The culture is less likely to

1011
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,400
emphasize courtship and monogamy
when women are in oversupply.

1012
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,720
Heterosexual men are more likely
to play the field, and

1013
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:30,560
heterosexual women must compete
for men's attention.

1014
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,800
End Quote.
OK, so as we know, though,

1015
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,480
Utah's a really special
situation.

1016
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,240
Yeah.
So here it's not so much

1017
00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:39,600
necessarily the college degree
disparity.

1018
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,400
I mean, you and I can talk about
that later.

1019
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,480
Yeah, but it's really the
religion.

1020
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:49,720
OK, so in 2015, there was a
massive gender imbalance among

1021
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:50,440
Mormons.
Yeah.

1022
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:55,120
OK, so according to a pretty big
study that was done at that

1023
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,400
time, there were 150 Mormon
women for every 100 Mormon men.

1024
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:00,560
Oh, wow.
Yeah.

1025
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,400
So a two to three ratio.
It's a wonder they didn't try to

1026
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,600
bring back polygamy as a.
Justification.

1027
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,680
I know, right?
Which is crazy.

1028
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,760
And the reason that this was so
lopsided is because at least 10

1029
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,800
years ago, men were much more
likely to leave the Mormon

1030
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,240
church than women were.
Interesting.

1031
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:21,560
Yeah.
So these men would become ex

1032
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,680
Mormon, and the women would stay
in the church looking for a

1033
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,320
worthy mate to marry.
Yeah.

1034
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,640
And that's kind of broadly true
of religion in general.

1035
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,040
Women are more likely to be
devout in any faith and less

1036
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,120
likely to leave organized
religion than men are.

1037
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,520
Committed or bribe?
Beaten.

1038
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,600
Yeah, or both.
Or socialized to be obedient one

1039
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,360
might say.
If you look at atheists

1040
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,640
self-described atheists, 2/3 of
them are men.

1041
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,400
Wow.
OK now that was 10 years ago so

1042
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,920
maybe we have been catching up a
little.

1043
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,560
I tried to find some updated
figures and it was pretty tough.

1044
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,000
Yeah, there's some anecdotal
evidence that women have caught

1045
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:02,000
up in leaving the church since
2015, but it doesn't mean that

1046
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,880
there's more female than male ex
Mormons.

1047
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,600
It just means that maybe the gap
is narrowing somewhat.

1048
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,600
Right?
Yes, I tried to like go look at

1049
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,760
Mormon stories, the ex Mormon
subreddit, etcetera, and I

1050
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,080
didn't find hard figures, but
there was a lot of anecdotal

1051
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,560
evidence describing LDS singles
wards.

1052
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,640
OK, so some congregations they
like separate all the single

1053
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,160
people and put them in like 1
little.

1054
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,640
Giant hormonal herd.
Yeah, right.

1055
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:32,720
Yeah, and people were describing
that women outnumbered men

1056
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:34,640
anywhere from 2:00 to 1:00 to
5:00 to 1:00.

1057
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,720
Oh my God.
Well, and I feel like that could

1058
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,640
explain the lazy approach that
we clearly see with men and

1059
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:48,000
dating because they're just
like, I am surrounded, right?

1060
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,480
There is so much variety.
Yeah.

1061
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,640
And so that's the thing.
If there is a gender disparity,

1062
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,080
if there are two to five women
for every one man.

1063
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:58,280
Yeah.
Well, first of all, the man

1064
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:59,480
doesn't have to try that hard.
Nope.

1065
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:05,120
And secondly, you can sort of
see where the plastic surgery

1066
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:06,120
angle comes in.
Yeah.

1067
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,440
OK, so the article says, and I'm
going to quote one more little

1068
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:14,440
thing that says quote.
Psychologist Marsha Gutentag and

1069
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,240
Paul Secord argued in Too Many
Women, the pioneering book on

1070
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:21,040
LOP side to gender ratios, that
women are more likely to be

1071
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,120
treated as sex objects whenever
men are scarce.

1072
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,160
This is precisely what Mormon
women now experience.

1073
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,360
Mormon men have become much more
demanding about women's looks,

1074
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,120
which in turn has made women
obsessed with standing out from

1075
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,840
the competition.
One consequence, A culture of

1076
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,280
plastic surgery has taken root
among Mormon women.

1077
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,120
Quote, I have seen more
outrageous boob jobs and facial

1078
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,600
plastic surgery in Utah than
almost anywhere in the country,

1079
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,120
especially among Mormon women,
said Bowman.

1080
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,400
He's a plastic surgeon.
Quote.

1081
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,880
They may claim chastity is a
virtue overall, but that's not

1082
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,240
stopping anyone from getting a
set of double DS, UN quote.

1083
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,160
Whoa.
You know, I have to say, and

1084
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:04,080
this is anecdotal, but it aligns
with the statistics that I so I

1085
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,400
used to live in the Mormon
heartland, yes, in in Divas

1086
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,640
County in a very Mormon
neighborhood.

1087
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,440
And from the very day I arrived,
even when I was still in the

1088
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:20,160
tribe, so to speak, I noticed a
a lot of startlingly hot women.

1089
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,320
Yeah, married to not so start
startlingly hot men.

1090
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,720
And again, not trying to be
shady or, or mean or anything,

1091
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:29,680
but like there was a clear
disconnect.

1092
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,280
Like it was, it was a big.
Bridge a big gap in

1093
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:33,360
attractiveness.
Yes.

1094
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,880
And interestingly, one of the
first weeks that we lived there,

1095
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,880
my husband was offering his
priesthood duty and visiting

1096
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,800
home teachers.
Is that what the men were called

1097
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,080
like the two men that used to
come visit to check on your home

1098
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:53,480
teachers spiritual home life?
And he goes to this very large

1099
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,800
home in the neighborhood of this
very affluent family and the

1100
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,440
kids combined and dying the
stairs and said our mom got new

1101
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:02,840
boobs this week.
Oh, my God.

1102
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,840
And, you know, they were like,
oh, that's nice.

1103
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,480
Like, we'll come back later.
Yeah.

1104
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,080
What do you say to that?
And so it was like, and again,

1105
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:19,000
this woman, like, I remember her
super attractive and a little

1106
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,040
bit older than me and just, she
was gorgeous.

1107
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,880
And.
And then there was her husband.

1108
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:27,920
Wow.
Yeah, and you're just like

1109
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:34,360
again, you do you girly, but or
and like what is what is the

1110
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,960
motivation?
And, and in some cases I I have

1111
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,240
known friends where the man in
their life, not even married has

1112
00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:45,080
requested that they do it.
I had a friend where a dude

1113
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:49,400
venmoed her 7 grand.
What to get a boob job to get a

1114
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,680
boob job.
I don't like that at all.

1115
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,360
And she did.
Wow.

1116
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,600
Yes, like Venmoed her.
I'm like, I'd have just kept the

1117
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,280
seven grand.
A book to vacation.

1118
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,080
Yeah, that's right.
Or three.

1119
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,960
Yeah, thanks for the 7 grand.
Yes, bye.

1120
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:11,440
Yeah, like you're sending me
money to get augmented for your

1121
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:12,960
pleasure.
Get new boots?

1122
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,200
No thanks.
Oh, that feels really

1123
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,360
objectifying.
And they were just dating.

1124
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,360
Wow.
Yeah, I did see a study a while

1125
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:27,720
ago that was asking men what
breast size they preferred and

1126
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:29,840
the sort of average in the
study.

1127
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,280
Of course, different men have
different preferences, so it's

1128
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,160
not like a monolithic thing, but
on on average it was kind of a

1129
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,160
medium large thing, so somewhere
between AC and AD.

1130
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,440
Unsurprising.
Yeah, well, that's not most

1131
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,360
women though.
I mean, that's kind of, I feel

1132
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,040
like more of a porn ideal than
like actual women.

1133
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,080
Well, I mean, I guess women come
in all sizes, but it's kind of

1134
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,680
interesting that that's like
where the male preference lands.

1135
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,920
Right.
And also like let's take into

1136
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,600
account, say for example, in a
marriage, a long term marriage,

1137
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,640
your body changes a lot.
Well, especially if you have a

1138
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,840
lot of kids.
Yes, and then you know, they get

1139
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,400
huge when you're nursing and and
honestly, it's so gross.

1140
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,480
Then when men are like, look,
it's like it's literally milk

1141
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,440
for our infants.
Like, I'm sorry, I can't get

1142
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,200
sexual about that.
Like, that's.

1143
00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:18,920
Yeah.
And so they go up and then they,

1144
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,800
like deflate and then they maybe
get fuller again.

1145
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,120
And then perimenopause, they
grow possibly.

1146
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,000
And then they, I mean, it's just
always changing, right?

1147
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:33,160
Like, it's, there's very little
thing things about Women's

1148
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,360
Health and hormonal health that
like, stay static.

1149
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,440
You know, that's a really good
point.

1150
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:38,920
Yeah.
Our bodies change over time.

1151
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:40,880
They do.
But the beauty standards don't

1152
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,040
exactly.
And so it's impossible because.

1153
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,880
If our bodies change over time,
clearly there's going to be lots

1154
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:53,440
of of like points where we're
we're not hitting this magical

1155
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,480
beauty standard that's
impossible like.

1156
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,400
AC plus D minus right?
And I'm so exhausted.

1157
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,480
Like just even.
Talking about it, never mind

1158
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,320
trying to live any of it like,
which is why I probably just

1159
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:10,280
rejected in its entirety.
Yeah, like, well, you know, and

1160
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,520
I want to say once.
Again, like if this is something

1161
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,120
that makes you feel great about
yourself and it makes you feel

1162
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,320
confident, go for it.
Like, I think that's great.

1163
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,880
I just think that the problem is
when it's an expectation that's

1164
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,840
being put on you.
Like your friend that got Venmo

1165
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,040
to get a boob job.
And here's another interesting

1166
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:29,360
thing.
So there's a whole rash of

1167
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:33,840
studies that came out in kind of
the early 2000s and 20 tens,

1168
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,800
multiple studies that showed
that a breast augmentation,

1169
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,000
women who have breast
augmentations are two to three

1170
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,800
times more likely to take their
own lives.

1171
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,760
Oh my God, there's actually a
correlation with suicide.

1172
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,800
That.
Is awful.

1173
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:51,480
Yeah.
Oh.

1174
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,880
My God.
And so clearly.

1175
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,080
It's not the the boob job is
Catalyst, but it's that

1176
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,320
expectation of perfection or
right.

1177
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,680
Like no one's claiming that this
is causative of.

1178
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,840
Course, right?
But there is a correlation

1179
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,640
there.
And even after you control for

1180
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,120
depression, there's a
correlation there.

1181
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,720
So there's something extra on
top of it, right?

1182
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:13,440
Somebody dysmorphia or
something, I'm not exactly sure,

1183
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,600
but these two things are
actually correlated.

1184
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,680
That's insane and really sad.
Really sad because like, at what

1185
00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:21,840
cost and.
Here's the thing.

1186
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,240
I'm not going to get all
philosophical Well, you can't

1187
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:28,400
eat it, but like, it's a.
Privilege to age.

1188
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,320
And not everybody gets to do it.
I agree.

1189
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,360
And at some point, we're getting
wrinkles.

1190
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:39,080
At some point, you know, the
boobs will get a little saggy at

1191
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,000
some point.
But this is also true of men.

1192
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:43,280
News alert.
Yeah.

1193
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,400
Like, hello.
We see.

1194
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,200
We see the apps.
There's.

1195
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,040
There's a lot of moves happening
in there.

1196
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,760
There's, you know, but, but what
is?

1197
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,520
With this world.
Where we're like, oh, look at

1198
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,200
that silver fox.
Whereas if we see a woman who

1199
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,080
decides to just go great, it's
like, oh, she's let herself go.

1200
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,680
Like the double standard, I feel
like comes becomes more

1201
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,360
pronounced yes as we get old
and.

1202
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,920
Yet.
Sort of like I'm looking at the

1203
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,760
man going, wait, what?
You know what I mean?

1204
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,280
Just yeah, they don't seem to
feel the same pressure to keep.

1205
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,120
Their looks unnecessarily.
There's some like, I mean,

1206
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,040
you've seen them, the topless.
Pictures where you're like, Oh

1207
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,000
yeah, do you want to put that
on?

1208
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,600
And again, not shaming them, but
highlighting that they have the

1209
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,160
confidence to be like, look at
my beer gut, my hottest spot.

1210
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,080
Do you know what I mean?
Like, well, maybe we should all

1211
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,280
be a little more like that, yes?
I mean, cool.

1212
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:40,600
Cool to them, but also then what
are they imagining based on the

1213
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,960
description of some of the
things that they're they're

1214
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:47,800
hoping to get as a partner and
it's that disparity that is the

1215
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,960
yucky part.
And we could also maybe connect

1216
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:55,040
that to the fact that
pornography use in Utah is and

1217
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,920
like, no, no shade, that's
that's a whole other discussion.

1218
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,960
But like it's really high in
Utah and among Mormon men

1219
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,520
specifically.
So maybe men are more likely to

1220
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,480
choose women that have had
augmentation because their

1221
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,680
standard of beauty or what sex
looks like or a hot woman looks

1222
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,800
like is skewed right a little
bit, shall we say?

1223
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,120
Yeah, I think that's right.
And.

1224
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:18,960
You know, we don't want to
suggest that men don't

1225
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,760
experience like body dysmorphia
and like some pressure to

1226
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,360
conform to like, I don't know, a
gym bro body or whatever.

1227
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,600
Of course there's there's
pressure there too, certainly in

1228
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,200
lesser.
Numbers and it's also not

1229
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:29,520
systemic.
I I agree.

1230
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,000
Yeah, it does exist, but not.
To the same extent I think that

1231
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,640
beauty standards do for women,
100%.

1232
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,160
Yeah, that's upsetting.
So the porn thing is interesting

1233
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,960
here.
Because for those of you outside

1234
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,080
of Utah that don't know, you
can't even look at porn in Utah

1235
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,080
anymore.
I mean, you can, there's ways to

1236
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:52,440
write it, but you can't, oh, you
can't get on the sites.

1237
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:54,760
Oh, like.
Pornhub or whatever, you can't.

1238
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,520
Access that I.
I haven't tried like a message

1239
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,600
will come up really, I've just
heard.

1240
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,000
I've just heard.
What are you saying, Claire?

1241
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,280
I've heard.
Well, I need to do a little.

1242
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,760
Expedition here well cuz.
Like Utah, set up like a task.

1243
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,120
Force, right?
I vaguely remember that.

1244
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,280
Yeah, see, I'm Speaking of.
This from an academic?

1245
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,440
Yeah, of course.
Yes, but there was an

1246
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:21,280
interesting against.
We love the stats came out about

1247
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:25,680
it because so Utah, when you try
to log into some of those sites,

1248
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,960
a message comes up like you're
in Utah and I believe there's

1249
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,160
actually like a video of like a
middle-aged lady like chastising

1250
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:33,880
you and telling you of the
dangers.

1251
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,560
Oh my God yes, because Utah is
ignoring.

1252
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,520
Their opioid crisis, but they're
like.

1253
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,640
This is a public, I think they
actually have branded it a

1254
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:46,520
public health crisis.
And yeah, so they, but instead

1255
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,760
of like going into the issues of
what's going on behind the

1256
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:54,280
eyeballs in the men's heads,
they are just banning it.

1257
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,000
So there was a correlation with
the day they banned it.

1258
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,600
And like, like, I'm not a big
techie person.

1259
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,960
Like external VPN.
VPN, yes.

1260
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,280
So you can spoof your location.
Yes, there was there was like a

1261
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:07,240
correlation.
Yeah.

1262
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,440
So like, not surprising.
Well, we know with all like

1263
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,800
policy and like that these
deterrent, they're not

1264
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,680
effective.
Well, it's like our liquor laws,

1265
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:16,720
right.
It's not going to stop.

1266
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,680
Anyone from drinking?
It just makes it more

1267
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,280
inconvenient.
Yep, same with looking at porn.

1268
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,000
If you really want do, it's not
very hard to do, I'm sure.

1269
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,920
Yeah, and and it never works.
It never causes.

1270
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,280
People to pause and go, oh,
maybe I shouldn't do that just

1271
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:34,400
like, well, how can I do that?
That makes it easier like, you

1272
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:38,920
know, for myself.
So so yeah, that's like a weird,

1273
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,880
weird like combo.
And as you say, there's like a a

1274
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:47,600
very dark side to that.
And let us not forget, as was

1275
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:51,600
highlighted recently in one of
our salty bites, like marriage

1276
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,920
is required for salvation in the
Mormon fee.

1277
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:56,800
Oh, that's right, your ticket to
heaven.

1278
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:00,520
Yeah, like that guy that was.
Looking for his wife #3 right

1279
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:02,440
after his cars and his golf
clubs.

1280
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,120
Yeah, Yep.
Because you know.

1281
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,640
You're gonna have a way for you
can't get to the highest level

1282
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,960
of heaven. 100% which is why
like in Utah, if.

1283
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,560
You're 25.
You're considered on the shelf.

1284
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,400
Yeah.
And this is, I mean, this is

1285
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,000
tragic when you put this.
Together with what we just said

1286
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,720
about the gender imbalance.
So it's, it sounds to me like

1287
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,360
there are many, many, many young
women and the whole deck is

1288
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,880
stacked against them because
there aren't enough men to go

1289
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:29,840
around, right?
They're competing for the

1290
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,680
attention of these guys who, you
know, really can demand whatever

1291
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,120
they want in terms of physical
appearance.

1292
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,360
And some of them, no matter what
they do, aren't going to get

1293
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,400
married, which means that, you
know, in their minds, they're

1294
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,600
not going to heaven or they have
to wait till the afterlife to

1295
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,600
have a partner or they maybe
have to date outside their

1296
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,760
faith, God forbid.
Well, I mean, Mormons are.

1297
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,640
Told not to do that, at least
when I was growing up.

1298
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,000
We were very strongly told not
to do that.

1299
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,200
That is the message and it
continues because.

1300
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:03,360
You know, as you know from my
wee XMO episode, my mom, my dad,

1301
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:05,680
he's not a Mormon.
She is.

1302
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,080
And I mean, she wouldn't even
get invited to social events

1303
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:10,520
because she was shunned.
Yeah.

1304
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,080
It was like, oh, he's, he's not
a.

1305
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,360
Member and even.
That vernacular of like

1306
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,880
membership is is actually really
gross.

1307
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,800
And then I also just really, it
makes me sad the mindset of

1308
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,200
like, you know, we all want to
be loved, chosen, whatever, but

1309
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:33,040
there's this idea that you're
somehow impaired or not worthy

1310
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,560
of love or pickable if you're,
you know, 25 and in the Mormon

1311
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,840
church and not married.
And my sister, we were chatting

1312
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:41,840
the other day and we actually
remembered this.

1313
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,080
She said, yeah, I was at a
wedding.

1314
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:45,960
I was like, girl, it was my
wedding.

1315
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:51,840
And we, we both remembered that.
So we she was at my wedding and

1316
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,520
it was in the Salt Lake Temple
because I was a good Mormon.

1317
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:56,200
Good Mormon.
Yeah.

1318
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,280
And the sealer.
Or the guy that marries.

1319
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,360
You they call him a sealer
because Mormons believe when

1320
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,720
you're married, you're not only
married on earth, you're married

1321
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:08,200
for time and all eternity, which
forever, God forbid in some

1322
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,760
circumstances.
But I can see how that's a nice

1323
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:12,240
idea, right?
Lovely, lovely.

1324
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,560
It's actually just a gateway to
polygamy for men.

1325
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,960
But anyway, another story,
another another episode.

1326
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,600
Yep.
And so this guy went around the.

1327
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,360
Room and was just, you know,
kind of asking.

1328
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,600
Everybody how they were related
to the bride and the groom.

1329
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:26,400
And I'm trying to remember what
age my sister was because she

1330
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:32,200
got married in her 30s, her
early 30s, late 20s, later than

1331
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,240
is considered worthy.
And Mormonism, which I'm going

1332
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,720
to drop a dark thing in here
because that's what Irish people

1333
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,480
do.
So like, don't feel bad about

1334
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,040
this, you know, do it.
Take it to a dark place because

1335
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:46,920
her fiance was actually murdered
when she was 21 years old.

1336
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,520
And so, you know, This is why we
don't comment on people's lives

1337
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,600
and bodies because you never
know the back story.

1338
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:56,040
So we were going around, he said
are you married?

1339
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,640
And she said, no, I am not.
And he goes, what's wrong with

1340
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,080
you?
Oh no.

1341
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:01,800
And you just like, motherfucker,
what?

1342
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,080
A Dick?
Do you want to know?

1343
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,000
What's wrong with her?
Like, yeah.

1344
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,360
And so you know, that is context
of where I grew up.

1345
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,040
She was engaged to be married
and ended up like burying her

1346
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,840
fiance a year before she was
supposed to walk down the aisle

1347
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,640
with him.
So like, dude, I'm sorry that

1348
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,000
got dark.
No, but that is just, that isn't

1349
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:20,760
my thing.
That is.

1350
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,320
So gross.
Like the entitlement.

1351
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:24,840
Yeah.
So just feel like you can say

1352
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,040
something like that.
What's wrong with you to not

1353
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,200
even consider that there could
be a reason?

1354
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,080
Well, it's like asking people
why don't you have kids, You

1355
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:33,760
know?
I mean, don't do that.

1356
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,640
Don't do that.
Don't ever do that.

1357
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:37,520
That's horrible.
So you know.

1358
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,320
But.
Sorry, Irish people.

1359
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:40,960
Do that all the time.
You know what?

1360
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:42,720
But I like it because we drop
them.

1361
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:44,280
We're like.
Actually but it but.

1362
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,760
It's real.
Yeah, it it is so real.

1363
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,600
Yeah, and you know.
She's very happily married for

1364
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,120
like 25 years now.
I love my brother-in-law.

1365
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:57,000
He's he's a great dude, but he
was like highlighting her at a

1366
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,800
wedding, calling her out.
Yeah, to be like, well, what's

1367
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:00,360
wrong with you?
What's?

1368
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,080
Wrong with you or you?
Know what's what's going on?

1369
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,160
And.
Like she was she was probably

1370
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,800
like, and she was still in her
20s.

1371
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,520
She was probably like 28 or 29.
You know what?

1372
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,600
I have a story like that will
not dark like.

1373
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:22,280
That but when I got engaged I
was 28 and spinster Well,

1374
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,760
exactly and you know by.
This time right if you.

1375
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,920
Listen to my ECMO story.
I had not been Mormon for, you

1376
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:28,880
know, several years.
Yeah.

1377
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:33,200
And my fiance, who I've been
married, was not a Mormon, had

1378
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,400
never been a Mormon.
Nothing to do with Mormonism,

1379
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,640
Right.
And I was at my parents house

1380
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,440
and their neighbors came over
and they were like, very Mormon.

1381
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:42,920
Yeah.
There was like some reason they

1382
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:43,840
were there.
I can't remember.

1383
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,240
And you know, the one was like,
oh, I heard you got engaged.

1384
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:51,280
And I said yeah.
And she was like, how old are

1385
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:52,440
you?
And I said, I'm 28.

1386
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,840
And she's like, Oh my God, I'm
so glad you finally found

1387
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:57,760
someone.
Oh my God.

1388
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:02,800
I was like I said. 28 not. 48
Like what?

1389
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:08,600
Like you're in your 20s.
What, unlike the relief, she had

1390
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:12,320
this proxy relief for you like,
yeah, Oh my God, you must feel

1391
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,080
whole night.
And can we point out you had a

1392
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,480
PhD at this time?
I'm sure you felt pretty whole.

1393
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,200
Well, I didn't have.
I was in the program I think at

1394
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:20,800
the.
Time I I didn't have the PhD

1395
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,480
accomplished.
You're a 20 something, Yeah.

1396
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,760
You're like, girl, I'm whole.
I'm like, hey, right, All right,

1397
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:27,840
doing fine.
Yes, I.

1398
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,240
Started dating this man when I
was 20. 5 which is not that old.

1399
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,040
Clearly I'm thriving, but thank
you for like the.

1400
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,240
Relief.
But like you clearly.

1401
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,160
Yeah for me.
Oh, it's unbelievable.

1402
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:39,840
Yeah.
Wow.

1403
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:41,640
I.
Know but I mean my heart breaks

1404
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:45,960
for these poor like young Mormon
women who are competing and like

1405
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,840
doing all these things to their
body to try and get their ticket

1406
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,040
to heaven.
Yeah, that's it's you know what?

1407
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:56,120
Let let 2.
Aged spinsters tell you that

1408
01:06:56,120 --> 01:07:00,280
like you know what life is, OK
Single, like it really is.

1409
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,280
I mean, sure, it's lovely, you
know?

1410
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,760
A partner.
Kids but sometimes actually it's

1411
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:09,000
not and it's more of an
emotional labor than is actually

1412
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:12,520
worth it and it's just like, you
know, life can be good either

1413
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:13,680
way.
It's great.

1414
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,400
There is this messaging that.
Like you, you can't be.

1415
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,760
Happy and fulfilled.
I arguably have never felt more

1416
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:24,680
happy and fulfilled than I do in
my, like, going into the third

1417
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,440
year of singlehood.
Like how you sing that.

1418
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:31,240
Yeah, I had to sing it because,
you know, I always thought I

1419
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:32,440
will.
I will admit this.

1420
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,800
The first guy did it after
divorce.

1421
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:36,200
He's like, I've been single for
three years.

1422
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:37,800
And I was like, oh, my God, what
a loser.

1423
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,960
Hello.
The universe plays some.

1424
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:44,280
Some funny tricks to teach.
Us some lessons so I was the

1425
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,360
bitch I guess it is but I guess
here's a.

1426
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:50,480
Question for us, all right.
I just told you that men leave

1427
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,920
the Mormon church at higher
rates than women, so shouldn't

1428
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,920
that be advantageous for us?
Shouldn't there be a lot more ex

1429
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:59,320
Mormon men than women?
Now you come to mention that?

1430
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,000
Like the stats?
Don't lie.

1431
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:02,520
Like, what's wrong with us,
Claire?

1432
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:03,120
Yeah.
What?

1433
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:04,640
What?
Oh my God.

1434
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:08,480
I'm going into that like reverse
Sparrow of like, why can't I

1435
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,960
attract an ex Mormon band?
They should be beating down our

1436
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:13,520
door, right?
And yet.

1437
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:17,080
The audacity remains.
I mean, unless you are

1438
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,920
intentional about deprogramming.
Let's face it, they're gonna I

1439
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:23,600
carry that, as is evidenced in
the lack of effort on apps

1440
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,000
sometimes.
True that, you know.

1441
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,920
Hey, hey, baby.
I don't have to do.

1442
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:32,800
Much like, yeah, come get me.
And the difference is now we're

1443
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:36,359
just like, no, thank you.
Yeah, Yeah, that's true.

1444
01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:38,319
I mean, so it's all our.
Fault the male loneliness

1445
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:40,640
epidemic, right it's.
Always all our fault, yes?

1446
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,000
But, you know, I read some of
these men's profiles and I

1447
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,240
actually do feel sorry for them
because they'll, they'll write

1448
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:48,800
these very angry BIOS, but you
can feel the pain underneath it.

1449
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:50,560
Yes.
You're like, Oh my God, like

1450
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,840
you, you.
Want to be loved, as do we all,

1451
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:56,800
as do we all, and it's
absolutely fair.

1452
01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,040
And you're just like, can we
become at that a little softer?

1453
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:01,479
Yeah, right.
Like this?

1454
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,560
Isn't the way forward my friend,
but I do feel sad for you.

1455
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,399
Yes, and I agree you do get
those those wee.

1456
01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:11,479
Moments where you're like, oh,
yeah, like, no, like, you are

1457
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,359
worthy of love, my friend, but
just stop being an aggressive

1458
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:16,240
asshole right as you're swiping
left.

1459
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:20,240
Yeah, like, oh, hard pass.
But I I do feel sad for you.

1460
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:22,960
Yeah, but maybe just don't flip
people off in your profile.

1461
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:25,160
Yeah, maybe don't do that.
Yes, yeah.

1462
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,880
Softer edge.
Let's all get a softer edge.

1463
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,840
Softer.
Edge, I like it.

1464
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:32,880
Well, do you have any plans to
do?

1465
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:36,200
Any cosmetic procedures going
forward, Claire?

1466
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:39,000
You know, definitely, it does
creep into my head.

1467
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,240
Sometimes cuz the, the menu bar,
as I call it, between my

1468
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,760
eyebrows, my beautiful bushy
eyebrows seems to be getting a

1469
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:49,680
little more pronounced, you
know, and I'm like God, should I

1470
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,200
like, should I, should I go for
that?

1471
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:56,440
And then I just don't wanna
like, I just don't want to.

1472
01:09:56,440 --> 01:09:58,440
Well, then don't.
And you know, but then

1473
01:09:58,440 --> 01:10:02,520
sometimes, you know, I do look
at France mage and I'm like, oh,

1474
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,800
yeah, like, look at their
flawless forehead.

1475
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,880
And, you know, you feel the
pressure is what I'm saying.

1476
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:13,160
Like sometimes it does cross my
mind, but I also just don't want

1477
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,480
to.
I mean, do I think that my boobs

1478
01:10:15,480 --> 01:10:17,920
look a lot better when I put my
arms over my head?

1479
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,400
Yes.
But like, could they do with a

1480
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:23,160
Wii lift?
Sure.

1481
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:27,560
And also it's just like a what
is that phrase like the

1482
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,240
business, like a cost benefit
analysis.

1483
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:33,520
Oh yes, to me it just is.
It's.

1484
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,320
It's.
Like it's not worth it for me

1485
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,560
personally.
I don't want to feel yucky.

1486
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:44,200
I I'm grateful for health.
I try to mentee and health and

1487
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:48,680
you know, at the end of the day,
maybe working on some acceptance

1488
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,240
like I'm not going to say I
don't have insecurities 100%.

1489
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:54,960
Do I think I have horse teeth
and you know, you don't stop it.

1490
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:56,320
Your teeth are gorgeous.
There's a.

1491
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,600
Great line and you know if I'm
comparing.

1492
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,880
Anything to Julia Roberts, I'll
take it.

1493
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,320
But my sister knows I have this
insecurities.

1494
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:05,960
And there's a film with Julia
Roberts and George Clooney and

1495
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:09,280
they, you know, because she's
got a rack like me where we've

1496
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,720
got, we've got teeth, teeth for
days.

1497
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:13,760
I mean, people pay for those
teeth, Claire.

1498
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:19,920
But like, they're, yeah, I mean.
She anyway, she is you.

1499
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,280
This film, you look like Julia
Roberts.

1500
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:23,800
Can I just say that?
Oh, I don't.

1501
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:25,280
Think so.
Apart from the teeth?

1502
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:26,480
No, you do, but I'll.
Take it.

1503
01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:27,720
You're gorgeous.
Oh, my God.

1504
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,240
Thank you.
OK, that's your celebrity

1505
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:33,800
doppelgate.
I'll, I'll totally take that.

1506
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:37,840
But I would like honestly only
the teeth for the purposes of

1507
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:39,520
this comparison.
And there's a great line in the

1508
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:41,320
movie where they call her horse
teeth.

1509
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,520
And my sister laughed so hard
and she like recorded it and

1510
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:45,960
sent it to me.
And she goes, I'm not saying

1511
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:47,120
anything because I don't think
you have it.

1512
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:50,160
But like she said, this made me
think of you so much.

1513
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,440
God, there's that sisterly love.
I know.

1514
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:54,800
It's like, but it was really
funny.

1515
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:56,960
Because I use, you know, the
same term.

1516
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:01,240
So, you know, we all have our
insecurities like 100%.

1517
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,400
But at the end of the day, like
there's some things you can't

1518
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:05,760
change about yourself.
True.

1519
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:09,800
Like I would not describe myself
particularly as a Utah Mormon

1520
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,840
girly.
I'm not conventionally beautiful

1521
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:15,040
in those standards, right?
You are very conventionally

1522
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:16,680
beautiful, but I would say you
don't have the Utah.

1523
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,480
Look, yeah.
And so like, you don't.

1524
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,600
Fit into that, you know, league
if you want to use the

1525
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,240
competitive terms.
You know, also like I'm not

1526
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:28,960
petite Yes, you are.
Well, no, I'm not like I'm.

1527
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:30,480
I'm almost 6.
Foot and I'm.

1528
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:34,080
I'm I'm oh, I see you're not
like little well, and I'm more.

1529
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:38,200
On an athletic build than a.
A slight build, right and again,

1530
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:43,240
these these standards so like
there's just literally like it's

1531
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:48,920
impossible right in some some of
the the aspects and also I like

1532
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:52,640
I like being this height.
I would honestly want to be a an

1533
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,120
inch or two taller, and so me
too.

1534
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:58,400
That's like a very long.
Answer but.

1535
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:05,120
The the answer is at this point,
no, because I just don't want to

1536
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,000
be in pain or have unnecessary
surgeries.

1537
01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:11,120
Mostly fair.
And also the idea of putting

1538
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,600
something in my body that has
toxin in the actual word doesn't

1539
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:18,160
really excite me.
But you know, also, I don't

1540
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:19,800
know, maybe I'll feel
differently in a couple of

1541
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,280
years.
At this point, I'm just, I'm

1542
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:26,080
just grateful to be healthy and
in my 50s.

1543
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:28,040
I love that.
But that's like where I'm at.

1544
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:31,680
What about you?
So I will admit I'm a little.

1545
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,240
Botox.
Curious now.

1546
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:36,840
I've never done it.
Yeah, but I'm curious.

1547
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:40,080
Yeah, but I feel like I also
don't need it at the moment.

1548
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:44,920
I don't think you do.
Yeah, I don't think most people

1549
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:46,880
I mean.
Need is the wrong word, right?

1550
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:47,680
Nobody.
You're going.

1551
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:49,840
Needs it, but I'm looking at
your beautiful.

1552
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,320
Flawless speech.
So much of me, and I'm sitting

1553
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:56,640
very close to you in the most
unflattering light imaginable.

1554
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,800
It's really bad.
The fluorescent light here is.

1555
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:01,640
Harsh.
It's taxing.

1556
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,120
Yeah.
And my friend, you are.

1557
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:05,800
Hot as fuck.
So thank you.

1558
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:06,600
You're so.
Yeah.

1559
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,880
You don't need a need a quote.
Sure.

1560
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:11,960
Yeah, yeah, of course.
Nobody needs it.

1561
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:12,840
Yes.
Exactly.

1562
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:16,800
Well, I guess some people have
Botox done for like, migraines

1563
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:18,160
or whatever, so maybe they need
it.

1564
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:21,760
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
I feel like there's a couple of

1565
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:25,480
things that have held me back
from, you know, seeking it out.

1566
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,880
One is that it feels like you
have to keep up with it, right?

1567
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:30,600
So then it's one more you can't
stop.

1568
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:31,520
Yeah.
It's one more thing you have to

1569
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,000
put into your routine.
Right.

1570
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:34,720
So it's like.
Oh, I have to get my nails done

1571
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:36,440
every month.
I have to get waxed every month.

1572
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:37,880
I have to do the brows every
month.

1573
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:39,200
Right.
All the things.

1574
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:41,160
And now you have to add that as
well.

1575
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:42,240
Yeah.
So that's one thing.

1576
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:45,560
And then the other thing is I
just look around at people with

1577
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:50,920
work and to me the results are
fairly heterogeneous, can I say?

1578
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:53,680
Like some people get it done and
they look fantastic.

1579
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:55,680
Like they look really good.
It's subtle.

1580
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,440
Sometimes you can't really tell
necessarily that they've had it

1581
01:14:58,440 --> 01:15:01,720
done and then other people have
it done and you're like, Oh yes.

1582
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:04,480
Like you're like, whoa, you
can't move your face, right,

1583
01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:06,200
Right.
And I think it's maybe a

1584
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:09,200
difference in like who you go to
and how much you get put in.

1585
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:12,760
Maybe I would imagine, but I'm
just like I don't even know how

1586
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:13,520
to.
Navigate that.

1587
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,080
I don't even know how to go down
that rabbit hole.

1588
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,040
Yeah.
I remember seeing in a real once

1589
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:19,840
and they were all saying how
many units they get.

1590
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,520
And I'm like, I don't understand
what you're talking.

1591
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,880
Like, what does this mean?
Yeah, it's a whole new language

1592
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:25,520
you have to learn and then
somehow.

1593
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:29,440
Figure out and then like it's
your face, yes, and I like to

1594
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,760
feel.
My face like I don't the idea of

1595
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:36,080
and maybe it feels OK I don't
know I don't know Botox chums

1596
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:37,880
tell us if it feels OK, but.
Like.

1597
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,640
It it, it it's like a sensory
thing for me.

1598
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:45,600
Like, of if I felt like I
couldn't do that, like, would I

1599
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:46,800
feel weird?
Yeah.

1600
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,360
And by that I mean, I just
raised my eyebrows.

1601
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:50,960
Yeah.
Well, there there's other things

1602
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:52,320
too besides Botox, right?
There's in.

1603
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:54,760
There's the fillers, yes, right.
Other injectables.

1604
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:56,280
I don't really know much about
that either.

1605
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:57,680
The difference.
Yeah.

1606
01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:59,720
I met a plastic surgeon once,
just like socially.

1607
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,480
And I was like, oh, like, you
know, I'm starting to get like a

1608
01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:03,840
little bit of lines under my
eyes.

1609
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:05,960
Should I, like, put, you know,
something in there?

1610
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:07,880
And he was like, no, he's like,
you shouldn't.

1611
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:10,360
He's like just get like some CRM
Yeah.

1612
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:12,040
And like do that.
That was like 10 years ago.

1613
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:13,720
Your eyes look great.
Oh, thank you.

1614
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:14,920
That's nice of you.
I.

1615
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,160
Mean it's just like.
And.

1616
01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:19,760
To your point, where where do we
stop then?

1617
01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:22,680
Yeah, I mean, I'm not like
against doing any of this.

1618
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,080
I'm just.
Like I'm not even sure like what

1619
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,680
I would do or how to start or
approach it and like how you

1620
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,040
have to maintain it etcetera,
etcetera to live for a long

1621
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,040
time.
And so I don't want to look.

1622
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:37,080
At the next 35 years as having
to Yeah, you know, I just want

1623
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:40,600
to go like bingo with my old
lady friends.

1624
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:42,560
I don't know, like 30 years from
now.

1625
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,440
But yes, just.
Yeah.

1626
01:16:44,440 --> 01:16:47,600
The idea of putting that into
your routine, it yeah, it feels

1627
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:49,160
exhausting.
It feels taring to me.

1628
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:50,920
Yeah.
Yeah, Yeah, that's it.

1629
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:51,920
Well.
I don't know, I.

1630
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:55,360
Mean we'll see like I said I'm
curious so you know friends

1631
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:59,160
we'll keep you updated if we if
we go for Botox we'll bring you

1632
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:01,360
along with us we.
Absolutely, you'll come along

1633
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:02,960
for the ride.
All right.

1634
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:06,760
Well, any closing thoughts?
Yeah, I am just.

1635
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:10,320
I just.
I hope everybody can just feel

1636
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:14,080
like beautiful without all this
shenanigans.

1637
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:17,160
You know, I just it makes me
tired of even talking about it.

1638
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,400
Yeah, you know, I I agree.
You know what?

1639
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,160
Everyone out there listening our
salty.

1640
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:25,480
Hoes, our salty Bros, we love
each and everyone of you.

1641
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,560
You're all hot.
You're all hot, and you know

1642
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:29,960
what?
You are worthy of love exactly

1643
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:33,760
as you are right now.
Today, there's no competition

1644
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:37,640
required for the right person.
It's it's not a Reese, right?

1645
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:39,960
And also you can love yourself
for who you are.

1646
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:41,560
Yeah, we don't even need a
person.

1647
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:43,280
Yeah, we love you.
We love you.

1648
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:45,360
And I love you.
And I love you, Claire.

1649
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:47,480
All right, end it all warm and.
Fuzzy.

1650
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,080
There we go.
I love it.

1651
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:51,920
All right friends, until next
time, stay happy our.

1652
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:53,880
Salty hoes and Bros, stay happy
and stay.

1653
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:55,240
Salty.
We'll see you later.

1654
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:55,840
Bye.